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Reply #89 - 04/08/08 at 15:29:29
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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5  Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 d6 7. Bg5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 Qe7 9. d4!

Whats the problem here? I would play as planned: 9...Nd8 followed by Ne6 and c6 - probably you have to play Re1 anyway at some move to bring back the bishop to f1 (then follow with g2, Bg2,...)
  
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Reply #88 - 04/08/08 at 14:22:54
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I'm not very impressed with the chapter about the Scoth and the 4 knights. In the line

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Nxc6 bxc6 8.
e5 Ng8 9. f4 d6 is the "safest option" as it is said in the book, but 10.Qf3! is given as +/- in NCO and i couldn't find a good solution for black here even after 3 hours of analysis! Also the "official reccomendation 9..Ne7 ("an interesting continuation") seems dubious also after 10.Qf3! again. White plans O-O-O, ...d5 can be countered by Ne4! and g4 ideas seem very strong! I hope someone could prove me wrong but the whole chapter seems useless if white can get a huge advantage in this simple line. Any help? Maybe Mr Costen has something to say about it.

I'm very disatisfied with the whole 4 knights issue and the way that several authors have covered it! I had some bad time defending the position after
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5  Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 d6 7. Bg5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 Qe7 9. d4! which Marin doesn't even mention and is much stronger than 9.Re1. Also GM Fabrego refutes the reccomendation of Davies (the ...Bg4 line) in his book True Lies in Chess. So, i studied the 4...Bd6 line. Emms gives in the chapter "denying black his fun" the line
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. d3 a6 6. Ba4 h6 7. a3 b5 8. Bb3 Bb7 9. O-O O-O 10. Be3! (his exclam) but doesn't tell us what is the idea after the obvious 10...Ng4.

Maybe the only serious book about the 4 knights is that of Pinski's (as i have heard, but i haven't read it) I'd like to know what is Pinski's opinion about the 9.d4! line i mentioned because if black hasn't something good there it seems that only 4...Bd6! can dive black a good game. I think that after 4...Nd4 5.O-O! is strong and i have some corrections to the lines given by Emms

1) 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. O-O c6 6. Bc4 d6 7. Nxd4 exd4 8.Ne2 Nxe4 9. d3! is much better 9... Nc5 10. b4 Ne6 11. Bxe6! and white has an advantage

2) 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. O-O c6 6. Bc4 b5 7. Bb3 a5 8. Nxd4! exd4 9. Nxb5! cxb5 10. e5 Bb7! 11. exf6 Qxf6 12. a4! is much better than Emms' Qe2 and secures white an advantage!




  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #87 - 04/07/08 at 13:28:44
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After 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 O-O 7.O-O-O Re8 8.Qg3 Rxe4 9.a3, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend against the move 9...Bd6? This move is recommended by Larry Kaufman in his book The Chess Advantage in Black and White.

Also, after 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Qxd4 Nc6 4 Qe3 Nf6 5 Nc3 Be7 6 Bc4 0-0 7 Bd2 d6, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend?


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In the chapter on Calming the Romantics, after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7 + Kxf7 10 Qb3, Does Gleen Flear recommend 10...d5, 10...Kf8, or does he analyze both moves?


Both moves, but mostly the 'ambitious' 10...d5.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #86 - 04/04/08 at 21:22:33
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Cochrane Gambit isn't that bad, but black has too many possibilities, so it's unsuitable for DW series. 4. Nc4 is unexlpored, but not especially sharp.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5
Reply #85 - 04/04/08 at 17:21:35
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There's a couple of other possibilities against the Petroff, e.g. 3 Nxe5 d6 4 Nc4 which is fairly unexplored, or the sharp but dubious Cochrane Gambit (4 Nxf7).  Boden-Kieseritzky is indeed a good suggestion- for instance it's probably comparable in soundness (and dangerousness) to the 8 Qg3 pawn sacrifice in the Centre Game.
  
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Reply #84 - 04/04/08 at 14:32:53
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I'm wondering why they didn't include a DW against Petroff. OK, using the book you might avoid it with Centre Game or Bishop's Gambit, but Bishop's Gambit chapter is way too short and the Centre Game is not to everyone's taste. Maybe there are no dangerous variations in Petrov? At least they could include Boden-Kieseritzky: I'm sure that it's not less sound than the Max Lange Gambit
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #83 - 03/31/08 at 22:46:13
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4.Bd2 is no lamer in principle than the Scotch.  White simply argues that his Pe4 gives him a space advantage and that he can cope with Black's easy development.
  

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Reply #82 - 03/31/08 at 20:27:29
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White's move order presupposes his willingness to play a Goering, it seems to me, since 4.Nbd2 and 4.Bd2 look so lame.  However the Goering doesn't offer quite sufficient comp.
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #81 - 03/31/08 at 17:37:47
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The third option looks ok in principle, I would say.

1) It is visually pleasing
2) Statistics are in white favour
3) Fritz11 sees compensation (although at this stage, the evals are pathetic, but still, three pointers to compensation...)
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5
Reply #80 - 03/30/08 at 20:11:41
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After 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Nf3 Bb4+, White has three options:

1.  4 Nbd2, which I don't really trust,

2.  4 Bd2, which leads to relatively little-explored variations, in some lines Black lets White regain the pawn,

3.  4 c3, which usually transposes to the Goring Gambit after 4...dxc3 5 Nxc3, whereupon Black usually plays Nc6 at some stage
  
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Reply #79 - 03/30/08 at 17:30:51
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 03/30/08 at 16:10:44:
I purchased Dangerous weapons, and all is OK vs 3...Bc5, but against 3...Nf6, my intended 4.Ng5 is looking bleak after 4...d5 5.ed5 Na5 (I thought I could choose between (after 6.Bb5 c6 7.dc6 bc6

a) 8.Be2 and
b) 8.Qf3

but both are looking pretty bad.

So first three chapters need something else as to how to face 3...Nf6!

Funny, a former King's Gambiteer wanting to switch to 4.Ng5 in the Two Knights with so many nice gambits at Black's disposal. I wouldn't touch it even if I was sure it's better for White: I'm the defender of the Black Side Cool .
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #78 - 03/30/08 at 16:14:18
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OOOOPS. Sorry, 3...ed4 4.Bc4 were inserted in the original game. I thought we had transposed, but were obviously wrong

That game was 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.d4 ed4 4.Bc4 Bb4.

SORRY! Embarrassed
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #77 - 03/30/08 at 16:10:44
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I purchased Dangerous weapons, and all is OK vs 3...Bc5, but against 3...Nf6, my intended 4.Ng5 is looking bleak after 4...d5 5.ed5 Na5 (I thought I could choose between (after 6.Bb5 c6 7.dc6 bc6

a) 8.Be2 and
b) 8.Qf3

but both are looking pretty bad.

So first three chapters need something else as to how to face 3...Nf6!
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #76 - 03/30/08 at 16:10:29
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Surely the problem with 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 Bb4+ for White is precisely that 4.c3 dxc3 5.0-0 is ... illegal!

I am surprised that your opponent did not notice this ...  Shocked
  

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Re: Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5  
Reply #75 - 03/30/08 at 16:07:18
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MNb wrote on 03/11/08 at 01:45:49:
Fernando Semprun wrote on 03/10/08 at 11:54:12:
I have a friend that plays 1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed4 3.Nf3

That has proven useful against the known boring petrovites. After 3...Nc6 one can choose the Scotch or even 4.Bc4 (I defeated Bob Northage with it in 1981 but lost to GM Izeta in 1992.)

Actually, Izeta had lost a KG against me in 1989, so he chose 1...Nc6 and we transposed here.... Huh

This also takes care of the dreaded Berlin endgames...

(Bob Northage must have played 1...Nc6 too, since I was a KG fan up in the previous century... Smiley )


How does your friend answer 3...Bb4+ ?



oh! Basically I love 4.c3 dc3 5.0-0. But may be is only because I crushed Bob Northage ages ago in 21 moves with it...
  

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