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Reply #15 - 04/03/08 at 22:51:30
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dragonmaster wrote on 04/03/08 at 20:10:36:
Moro plays 3...Bf5 and a quick Nb4. If you look into those games, the exchange sac on a1 actually provides good chances for White.

Bronznik gives the line 3.g3 Bf5 4.Bg2 e6 (instead of Nb4) 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 which is very solid for black.
BTW more discussion on the Chigorin can be found here:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203566798
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #14 - 04/03/08 at 20:10:36
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Obviously 2. d4 d5 is the real challenge of this approach. My suggestion is then to play 3. g3. This is well covered in the various  book on the Chigorin.

Moro plays 3...Bf5 and a quick Nb4. If you look into those games, the exchange sac on a1 actually provides good chances for White.

Others tend to play 3...Bg4. Then normal development of the kingside followed by a timely c4 gives White attractive play. See the Borik book!
  
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Reply #13 - 12/01/07 at 12:55:31
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Apologies Bibs. I agree with that. The red mist has cleared now  Smiley
BTW, I posted some variations on 1 e4 Nc6 2 Nf3 d5 in daring defences, perhaps there is a specific variation you would be interested in to explore further?
  
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Reply #12 - 12/01/07 at 12:19:03
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My comment was aimed wider. At the general 2nd 3rd move blarney. Nadir reached by sss's 'h4. what next?'
Clearly battleangle hasn't seen any Moro games. A crass oversimplification.

Theory anyone?
  
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Reply #11 - 12/01/07 at 11:15:26
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@Smyslov_Fan + Bibs: It seems a bit rich to me to grill Michael for making a light-hearted remark about battleangle's provocative "Against d4 this knight on c6 is just misplaced, whatever theory there is on Nc6 systems ... it's just not good".

@battleangle: OK, I'll bite and go one move further. 1.Nf3 Nc6 2.d4 d5. I am interested in your opinion as to how white proves here that Nc6 is misplaced. We can take this discussion to the 1.d4 d5 section if you want.
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #10 - 12/01/07 at 09:44:54
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Oh dear!! It took me a while to understand Smyslov_Fan’s post till the penny dropped! My “C’mon” was indeed meant warmheartededy and unseriously, and not at all aggressively or in the least spirit of blame.

But it was my fault for not engaging brain! I have a friend in Newcastle and we say “C’mon” at each other in a playful way – I’ve actually never used or heard the expression used in any other spirit so I daftly assumed (without thinking) the levity would be understood. Apologies all round for the misunderstanding! One for the “Problems associated with irony in email communications” chapter!

I was looking the other day at 1 Nf3 Nc6 2 c4 e5. Some games of Murei’s have gone 3 g3 e4 4 Nh4 (and he usually wins quickly). Is there any theory on this?
  
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Reply #9 - 12/01/07 at 06:02:13
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Agree with Sf
Far too many nonsensical qs about stuff on move one and two. Or, ooh, move 3.
Do people not think before posting? Any chess common sense to be found folks?
Suggest Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld daily after every meal until 2008.

  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #8 - 12/01/07 at 03:15:55
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[quote author=Michael Ayton link=1196102062/0#7 date=1196379831]C'mon then battleangel, give us some variations.

Reversed Pirc, h'mm. I took a look at this recently and couldn't decide. Mightn't be so bad a choice for KIA enthusiasts, white-square play and all that. Incidentally, you'll search in vain in the new KIA 'Starting Out' for any mention of 1 Nf3 Nc6. Actionable, that.[/quote]


Michael,

I hope you're joking. 

The thread is based on one move from both sides and you jump on someone for going one move deeper?  This is ridiculous.  Of course 2.d4 is perfectly playable.  How many variations for Black would be enough?  2...e5, 2...e6., 2...b6 2...g6 2...d5, Nf6?

I have no idea which variations to bother with.  On second thoughts, yes I do.  I'll go read another thread.
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #7 - 11/29/07 at 23:43:51
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C'mon then battleangel, give us some variations.

Reversed Pirc, h'mm. I took a look at this recently and couldn't decide. Mightn't be so bad a choice for KIA enthusiasts, white-square play and all that. Incidentally, you'll search in vain in the new KIA 'Starting Out' for any mention of 1 Nf3 Nc6. Actionable, that.
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #6 - 11/29/07 at 21:40:30
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Ready to prove your point in a game against Moro ?
  
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Reply #5 - 11/29/07 at 21:27:47
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1. Nf3 Nc6 2. d4 is the best way to go for an advantage.
Against d4 this knight on c6 is just misplaced,
whatever theory there is on Nc6 systems ... it's just not good
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #4 - 11/27/07 at 23:07:04
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The coin always has two sides. After 1...Nc6 you can already rest assured that it's not gonna be (another) Slav...
  
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Reply #3 - 11/26/07 at 21:08:27
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As a Chigorin player I am always very happy to meet 1.Nf3 with 1...Nc6! Smiley especially if white wants to play the English while avoiding 1.c4 e5. So if you don't want to play 2.c4 e5, then imho the only way to fight for an advantage is to study a mainline Chigorin after 1.Nf3 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.c4 (like zoo said, 3.Bf4 or 3.g3 are not exactly "potent"). My personal tip would be 3...Bg4 4.Nc3 e6 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bf4 which is safe but still tricky for black to meet.
I wouldn't go for 2.g3, 2...e5 and 3...d5 is too easy for black. Unless you enjoy playing a reversed Pirc.
  
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Re: 1. Nf3 Nc6 2. ??
Reply #2 - 11/26/07 at 20:45:49
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2.g3 cannot be bad either, leading to all kind of transpositions.
  

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Reply #1 - 11/26/07 at 18:49:27
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i'm afraid not.
If you don't like ...e5, you have to play 2 d4 and after 2...d5 you can play 3. Bf4 or 3. g3, but you wouldn't call this "potent", just might as well play 2. c4 e5. Most people use 1. Nf3 to avoid specific variations after 1. e4 or 1. d4, it is not really an independant opening.
  
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