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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #22 - 01/08/08 at 19:49:50
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 01/08/08 at 15:28:24:
Why not do a handstand instead if you want to get blood into your head !!

That's a great idea, I'm surprised that someone like Adorjan hasn't already tried it! Maybe there is a FIDE rule that bans it?! Undecided
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #21 - 01/08/08 at 18:02:56
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 01/07/08 at 15:41:03:

Incidentally, rubbing your earlobes gets more blood into the brain and can give a short boost!


Rubbing your opponent's earlobes should cause enough tension to get your motor running also ...
  

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #20 - 01/08/08 at 15:28:24
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 01/07/08 at 15:41:03:
Dink Heckler wrote on 01/07/08 at 11:13:40:
Tests have bee performed which indicate that performance on cognition tests does not fall precipitously after normal ranges of sleep deprivation. Sure, there's a performance dropoff, but it's not as huge as one might think.

I tend to agree, it's unpleasant but it is difficult to avoid morning rounds (especially in last rounds) so you just have to rest your eyes a bit, have a coffee, and get on with it.
Ideally, though, I would like to be in a position to offer a quick draw! Wink
Incidentally, rubbing your earlobes gets more blood into the brain and can give a short boost!


Why not do a handstand instead if you want to get blood into your head !! 
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #19 - 01/07/08 at 15:41:03
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Dink Heckler wrote on 01/07/08 at 11:13:40:
Tests have bee performed which indicate that performance on cognition tests does not fall precipitously after normal ranges of sleep deprivation. Sure, there's a performance dropoff, but it's not as huge as one might think.

I tend to agree, it's unpleasant but it is difficult to avoid morning rounds (especially in last rounds) so you just have to rest your eyes a bit, have a coffee, and get on with it.
Ideally, though, I would like to be in a position to offer a quick draw! Wink
Incidentally, rubbing your earlobes gets more blood into the brain and can give a short boost!
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #18 - 01/07/08 at 11:13:40
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Playing when tired is to my mind largely a psychological problem.

Tests have bee performed which indicate that performance on cognition tests does not fall precipitously after normal ranges of sleep deprivation. Sure, there's a performance dropoff, but it's not as huge as one might think.

I think the bigger driver of underperformance comes from telling onself 'I'm so tired, I can't concentrate, I can't play today', putting oneself in a negative mindset, and looking to evade critical positions etc.

Two of my best games have come after getting only three or four hours sleep, in one case with severe jetlag thrown in. In this range of mild sleep deprivation, I believe the psychological effects outweigh the physiological ones.
  

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #17 - 01/04/08 at 12:35:37
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The best way to avoid/minimise tiredness is to have a decent breakfast. This sets you up for the day and makes a huge difference.

Coffee is good too, but can dehydrate you. Dehydration leads to lower concentration levels etc. So sip a bottle of water throughout the day.
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #16 - 12/04/07 at 14:48:57
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My solution is the conventional one of trading the queens if at all possible, playing conservatively and naturally and avoiding all calculation.

But it varies from person to person and from opponent to opponent. Most of the games I play when tired are local league games where I fancy myself basically stronger than my opponent. If that isn't true then different tactics may be needed. But basically sticking to instinct and avoiding too much thought or calculation has to be right. Pretty much what Aagaard says.
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #15 - 12/04/07 at 10:36:30
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AVOID refined sugar and flours before the game, this kind of food raises the levels of insulin and lowering the level of sugar in blood..., "getting asleeped" at the end. Fruits and Protein (fish, meat, soja...) is the way to get a clear mind. You can read about nutrition and smart drugs here:

http://www.iacye.com/asociados/hechiceros/drogas_inteligentes/

  

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #14 - 12/04/07 at 05:41:57
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I am always tired when playing chess due to my day (and night) job.  Roll Eyes

My solution is to play long theoretically forcing lines for as much as possible. For example I can reel off 24 moves of Sokolsky exchange sac theory in the 7. Bc4 Grunfeld, and then start thinking on move 25. 

Its easier to play theoretical moves because they don't require much thought. Thinking for yourself is always harder and more taxing than memorising.  Grin
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #13 - 12/03/07 at 01:17:13
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Have a look at Aagaard's first chapter in Excelling at Chess.  He provides some useful and obvious--albeit often overlooked--advice on just concentrating on putting pieces on their best squares.  Easier said than done at times, but this is his test of "real chess players."  When tired, simplifying to this idea isn't always a bad idea...
  

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #12 - 12/02/07 at 14:11:20
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There's a major consolation in being tired at the end of the tournament.   


Remember that your opponent is tired too!


If you do that, then chess becomes a sport and your desire to play through the tiredness will be a major asset.  Instead of asking chess players whether they should eat cookies or something else, take a look and see how marathon runners and other athletes fight through tiredness.  The physiological needs are even more dire among athletes, and they have better funding!  There are plenty of links that will help you if you read the research that has already been done.
  
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #11 - 12/02/07 at 11:16:06
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Another idea is to see how you keep your concentration at work (or college which may be even more challenging Wink). For me it helps to wander around a little and chat with some clubmates/colleagues and tehn get back to business. One or two coffees at the start of the game also help and the beer is handy at the end (assuming you drink at all otherwise it is not a good idea), but only in combination with chatting.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #10 - 12/01/07 at 01:35:07
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Greetings,

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A general guideline is that when playing (much) weaker opponents, play solidly - wait for them to make weakening moves.

They invariably make such moves, often leaving their pawn formation disjointed where the stronger player can then take advantage of such "holes" through positional play - something which the weaker player may well not comprehend.

The above "strategy" is what should be done.

More often than not, however, one sees quite the opposite! Roll Eyes

The stronger player feels, "I should be able to crush him/her!" - and then goes looking for an (all-out) attack. This invariably leads to their trying too hard and blowing the game. Cheesy

Given the above advice regarding how the stronger player should approach the weaker opponent - as the weaker player, one can easily see how to cross-up their strategy.  Wink

Mix it up!

If you have a opening in your repertoire which leads to complex play, now's the time to use it!

The more complex/complicated the resulting play, the better.

The above presupposes that you are as well versed in these complex positions/concrete tactical lines as a Dragon specialist.

If you apply the above suggestions to when you are tired...

1) As the stronger player, you minimize the risk of making a tactical blunder - just wait for the opponent to weaken their pawns, play positionally and/or exchange off to a winning ending;

2) As the weaker player, if you are as at home in the complex opening as a Dragon specialist would be, then you'll find you may not have to think that much for most of the game - except at critical points - the plans/moves are so well-known to you; whereas your stronger opponent may well be struggling to work his way through the complications (giving you time to rest between thinking sessions, thus conserving your energy for when it's needed).

Many years ago, I had a couple of games as the weaker opponent (by some several hundred points) turn out well for me - one draw, one win.

During the draw, I had black in a Dragon against a player rated ~2200 USCF. After about a dozen moves, my opponent didn't look too good. I caught his eye and raised an eyebrow in a "Are you (feeling) alright?" expression. He answered (over the board) that he didn't know what came next! The game swung both ways but ended in an agreed draw.

The win was a fortunate one.

Again playing with the black pieces, I'd made a complete pig's dinner of the opening - my stronger opponent (~2050 USCF against my ~1620 at the time) then went for an attacking combination without bothering about completing his development - and fell to a queen mate on the back rank! Cheesy

1. d4, d5; 2. c4, e6; 3. Nc3, Nf6; 4. cd, ed; 5. Bg5, c6; 6. e3, Bf5(?); 7. g4, Bg6(?); 8. Qb3, b6; 9. Bxf6, Qxf6; 10. Nxd5(?!), cd; 11. Qxd5(?), Bb4+; 12. Kd1(?), 0-0; 13. a3?, Qxf2; 14. Ne2??, Qe1#

Cheesy

The idea of ..., Bf5 was something with which I was experimenting as a means of combatting the Colle/London to exchange off the Bd3 and/or prevent Rc1 following a exchange of pawns (cd, ed). I really shouldn't have played it at this point in the QGD [6. ..., Be7 was best, staying in well-known lines], although it is one of Black's plans, as White obviously had 7. Qf3 in response.

At the time, I didn't see that.  Embarrassed 

Fortunately, neither did my opponent - or, if he did, he didn't play it.

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #9 - 11/30/07 at 22:51:31
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Thanks for all the good and/or interesting (3 or 4 beers!?) advice. I already had a chance to practice "tired play" today!

Coffee and chocolate were used, and my strategy against an opponent rated 300 points lower was to play something solid and aim for a calm, strategic position, but with the queens on (since I don't trust my superiority that much in simplified positions). However I was quickly forced to calculate, to confirm that my opponent really was offering me an exchange AND a strong attack.  Wink
OK, so I wasn't challenged much and duly won, although time trouble threatened to become a factor at the end.

TimS wrote on 11/30/07 at 10:47:34:
There's a counter argument that you should go for really sharp stuff when tired to try to get the game over with one way or another as quickly as possible before you tire more, while something strategic or just getting the queens off will drag out the game and increase the opportunity for tiredness blunders!


This is an interesting idea. I remember Baburin mentioning (on John Watson's Chess FM show) that he got much more creative/aggressive when tired.

I think this should be most useful against clearly stronger players, against whom one doesn't stand much chance with normal play given the fatigue. Then you might as well gamble and try to look like Tal!
  

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Re: How to play when tired?
Reply #8 - 11/30/07 at 11:04:32
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Tiredness and morning games have a twofold effect on me:

a) Early opening blunders

b) Late game disasters

So, your strategical solutions may not be of help to me. I could even go further and suggest that it is more beneficial to figure out in which period of the game you tend to blunder and not in what type of positions.
  

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