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Re: powerfull novelty for white!!!
Reply #5 - 12/06/07 at 16:23:02
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Fortunatly Black can also try the complicated line 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 d5 10.Kb1 Rb8!?
  
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Re: powerfull novelty for white!!!
Reply #4 - 12/04/07 at 13:06:57
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THAT'S idea behind Be2 and forfeiting the D line domination plan for black seemed dangerous to me but maybe its not Smiley
One alternative for white is 18.g4 Rfd8 19.Qc1 Rd6 20.c3 Rb6 21.Ka1 


anyway thanx madhacker....thought black wasn't doing ok after this novelty
  
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Re: powerfull novelty for white!!!
Reply #3 - 12/02/07 at 11:58:34
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The idea is for White to try and swap a pair of rooks, or else stop Black dominating the d-file; if he manages this then Black's winning chances decrease dramatically. Eddie Dearing talks about it a bit in his book; in particular, White doesn't have to play 20. b3 as 20. c3 is available to reduce the scope of the dark-squared bishop. One way I play against it is to play (I think it's Golubev's idea) 17...Rac8, avoiding the d-file entirely and putting pressure on the c-pawn; in particular, 17...Rac8 18. Qc1?! Bf5! is strong, and after 18. g4 (to prevent ...Bf5) then 18...Rfd8 19. Qc1 Rd6 20. Rd1 Rb6 is fine for Black as 21. c3? just drops a pawn - as such 21. b3 is forced, when Black is doing well: he has an attack (...a5-a4 is coming) and the White bishop is a poor piece on e2.

I think all these lines are playing around with a position that's virtually equal; all of them just mess around with lines that very slightly reduce or increase winning chances for one side or the other. Here, I think 17...Rac8 solves most of the problems for Black.

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Re: powerfull novelty for white!!!
Reply #2 - 12/02/07 at 11:19:07
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I played the variation a lot on ICC (with white) and its really difficult to find something substancial - I dont think Be2 changes much. White is trying to safe his King, moving around with the queen, trying to make some weaknesses in blacks camp and finally pushing his kingside pawns - sometimes it works, sometimes not. Mostly you end up in repeating moves somewhere - black rook is attacking white queen. By the way - Black could also play Bf5 instead of Be6
  
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Re: powerfull novelty for white!!!
Reply #1 - 12/02/07 at 09:34:53
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The line in question is:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 d5 10.Kb1 Nxd4 11.e5 Nf5 12.exf6 Bxf6 13.Nxd5 Qxd5 14.Qxd5 Nxe3 15.Qd3 Nxd1 16.Qxd1 Be6 17.Be2

I haven't seen the analysis (and if you could give the complete game score that would be great, since I can't seem to find it online), but I don't immediately see why this move would be such a big improvement. 17...Rfd8 18.Qc1 Rd6 19.Rd1 Rb6 20.b3 Rc8 and I don't really see what White has accomplished with Be2 especially.
  
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powerfull novelty for white!!!
12/02/07 at 07:30:37
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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. O-O-O d5 10. ed 10. Kb1 Nxd4 11. e5 Nxf5 12. ef Bxf6 13. exd5 Qxd5 14. Nxd5 Nxe3 15. Qd2 Nxd1 16. Qxd1 Be6 and now 17.Be2! N Rfd8 18.Qc1 Rd6 19.Rd1 Rb6 e.t.c. found in chess informant 97and the game is Camacho Penate vs Achig Cuenca 2006

What do u say guys about this move? I think that Be2 is (unfortunately)a MAJOR imrovement  for white
  
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