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Re: The Delayed Schlieman
Reply #5 - 12/04/07 at 22:59:16
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Templare2 wrote on 12/04/07 at 22:08:32:
I know that Khalifman suggests 5. d4 in his book Openings for White according to Anand and the main line follows the path of tbe game Roossmann-Goldberg >Rostock 1984. In this game Black played  17.., g5?! but this move is a mistake. Instead 17.., Ne5! is better and Black reaches an even game.

In His book "Play the Ruy Lopez" Greet proposes 8. c3! dxc3  9. Nxc3 d6?! and after 19. f4 the evaluation is +/=.

But after  19.., Be6  20. Bxe6 Qg6+  21. Kh1 Qxe6 Black is not worse.

Instead: 9...h6! controlling g5 may be an improvement.


Without having the Greet book readily to hand I'm not sure exactly what variation you're referring to but I wuld imagine you mean 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 f5 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 Bc5 7.0-0 Nge7 8.c3 dxc3 9.Nxc3 and now 9...h6!?

Well, it might be an improvement but it (a) does nothing to aid Black's development; and (b) slightly but perceptibly weakens the light squares around the Black king.  I like the idea 10.Bb3 for White and if 10...Na5 then simply 11.Re1 Nxb3 12.Qxb3 and it isn't immediately obvious how Black is going to complete his development - Fritz comes up with an interesting plan involving ...b5, ...Bb7 and ...Qb8-a7 followed by 0-0-0, but it's hard to believe he can get away with this and Fritz still likes White anyway here, despite being a pawn down.
  

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Re: The Delayed Schlieman
Reply #4 - 12/04/07 at 22:08:32
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I know that Khalifman suggests 5. d4 in his book Openings for White according to Anand and the main line follows the path of tbe game Roossmann-Goldberg >Rostock 1984. In this game Black played  17.., g5?! but this move is a mistake. Instead 17.., Ne5! is better and Black reaches an even game.

In His book "Play the Ruy Lopez" Greet proposes 8. c3! dxc3  9. Nxc3 d6?! and after 19. f4 the evaluation is +/=.

But after  19.., Be6  20. Bxe6 Qg6+  21. Kh1 Qxe6 Black is not worse.

Instead: 9...h6! controlling g5 may be an improvement.
  

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Re: The Delayed Schlieman
Reply #3 - 12/04/07 at 20:15:39
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I've just noticed that Greet's play the Ruy Lopez is admirably thorough on this variation.
  

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Re: The Delayed Schlieman
Reply #2 - 12/04/07 at 19:23:42
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Indeed it's often given in the opening encyclopedias as "±".  I seem to recall Kortchnoi playing it against Karpov in 1974 (maybe the last top-level game with it?).
  
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Re: The Delayed Schlieman
Reply #1 - 12/04/07 at 19:04:47
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Templare2 wrote on 12/04/07 at 16:36:59:
I'm referring to this line 1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb5 a6  4. Ba4 f5!?. I've read an italian book and this line seems playable. Any coverage in this site?

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The consensus has been that White can get the advantage quite easily with 5.d4

In the analogous line in the Schliemann proper, after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.d4 fxe4 5.Nxe5 Nxe5 6.dxe5, Black's 6...c6 hits the bishop on b5 intending e.g. 7.Bc4 Qa5+ and 8...Qxe5.  White can play 7.Nc3!? with a certain amount of compensation for the piece, but it is quite speculative.

With 3...a6 4.Ba4 included, 7...c6 no longer works and White has a clear advantage.

I think that Black is supposed to play 5...exd4 instead but White has a sort of good Falkbeer Reversed after 6.e5, following up with 0-0 and c3 (or in some cases just recapturing on d4).
  

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The Delayed Schlieman
12/04/07 at 16:36:59
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I'm referring to this line 1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb5 a6  4. Ba4 f5!?. I've read an italian book and this line seems playable. Any coverage in this site?

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