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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #24 - 05/29/12 at 00:46:34
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sssthepro wrote on 12/29/07 at 10:51:45:
Maybe you guys can ask Richard Palliser or John Emms or anyone who is preparing the next update about this Smiley

I finally did ... a few years later! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #23 - 05/25/12 at 21:20:17
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Seems this relevant theoretical publication was deleted by accident:

2 weeks ago i found out on chesscafe a review from the latest Secrets of Opening Surprises, Volume 14: http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm.
One of the listed chapters immediately attracted my attention: Max Illingworth – Sicilian: the Illingworth Gambit (10 pages) It didn't take very long to find out that it concerned the novelty which I here published in 2007.
A summary of the copy- paste can be found in the pgn here below and can easily be checked with the article of SOS and the posts here on chesspub.


Max Illingworth added his share of comments to the original analyses but after analyzing these additions carefully, i only came to the conclusion that they were done less deep than mine, often forgetting important nuances. See attached pgn with plenty of remarks on Max additions.

I had some mailexchanges with Max in which he admitted that his game was fully based on the notes on chesspub and the new move 12.Ne4 was on the board inspiration as he couldn't fully remember the published analysis.

Anyway looking at the overall quality of the article in SOS and the free analysis here on chesspub, I don't think it is worth to buy the magazine if you're not interested in the rest of the SOS magazine.
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #22 - 10/25/11 at 22:00:06
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Fair warning for Chess.com members: If you use openingmaster.com extensively, you may be accused of engine abuse.  But I suppose that's actually a recommendation for the site!
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #21 - 10/24/11 at 05:54:46
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Markovich wrote on 10/23/11 at 13:48:50:
brabo wrote on 10/23/11 at 05:59:22:
I believe the idea hasn't repeated yet due to the fact that the big databases are only released once per year


This is not true.  Check out http://www.openingmaster.com


If you don't mind, would you be able to post the other game/games played with 8.0-0?

Opening Master looks extremely good by the way. I think I'll choose it over Mega Database in fact.
  

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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #20 - 10/24/11 at 05:15:54
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Markovich wrote on 10/23/11 at 13:48:50:
brabo wrote on 10/23/11 at 05:59:22:
I believe the idea hasn't repeated yet due to the fact that the big databases are only released once per year


This is not true.  Check out http://www.openingmaster.com


I didn't know the existence of this site and such database and I doubt many do. Thanks for the link !
Anyway I normally buy once per year 1 of the chessbaseproducts (bigbase) and manually download a few times per year the twics and games of the local tournaments to keep track of the latest developments and my direct opponents.
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #19 - 10/23/11 at 13:48:50
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brabo wrote on 10/23/11 at 05:59:22:
I believe the idea hasn't repeated yet due to the fact that the big databases are only released once per year


This is not true.  Check out http://www.openingmaster.com
  

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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #18 - 10/23/11 at 05:59:22
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TN wrote on 04/06/11 at 11:08:44:
I checked my database for games with 8.0-0 while viewing this thread, and this piece sacrifice was played in the following game:

[Event "Australian Open"]
[Site "Cammeray AUS"]
[Date "2011.01.05"]
[Round "4.1"]
[White "Illingworth, M."]
[Black "Zhao Zong Yuan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B41"]
[WhiteElo "2311"]
[BlackElo "2586"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2011.01.02"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2011.01.10"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Bd3 Nc6 8. O-O
Nxd4 9. e5 Be7 10. exf6 Bxf6 11. Be3 Nc6 12. Ne4 O-O 13. c5 Bxb2 14. Rb1 Bd4
15. Bxd4 Nxd4 16. Nd6 Nb5 17. Bxb5 axb5 18. Rxb5 Rxa2 19. Qb3 Ra6 20. Rb6 Qg5
21. Qb4 Qd5 22. h3 Ra2 23. Qc3 f5 24. Re1 h6 25. Qe5 Qxe5 26. Rxe5 Ra5 27. f4
g5 28. fxg5 hxg5 29. g4 Ra1+ 30. Kh2 Ra2+ 31. Kg1 Ra1+ 32. Kh2 1/2-1/2

Certainly a promising start for the sacrifice, though no one has repeated it since.


I somehow missed this post and the game. There are many improvements possible in the game but it stays an advertising for the 0-0 idea as cleary making a draw in the way as it happened in the game against a much stronger opponent is a success.

I believe the idea hasn't repeated yet due to the fact that the big databases are only released once per year and the white player is rather low rated.
Anyhow it would've been nice to see a review on chesspublishing.com of this idea.

Some open questions remain with the game for me.
1) Did Illingworth pick up the idea here on this site or he developed himself the idea and made his own conclusions. In that case I would love to see in which extend the analysis overlap.
2) Is 12.Ne4 the fruit of homework, on the board inspiration or simply a mix up of the variations?
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #17 - 04/06/11 at 11:08:44
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I checked my database for games with 8.0-0 while viewing this thread, and this piece sacrifice was played in the following game:

[Event "Australian Open"]
[Site "Cammeray AUS"]
[Date "2011.01.05"]
[Round "4.1"]
[White "Illingworth, M."]
[Black "Zhao Zong Yuan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B41"]
[WhiteElo "2311"]
[BlackElo "2586"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2011.01.02"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2011.01.10"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Bd3 Nc6 8. O-O
Nxd4 9. e5 Be7 10. exf6 Bxf6 11. Be3 Nc6 12. Ne4 O-O 13. c5 Bxb2 14. Rb1 Bd4
15. Bxd4 Nxd4 16. Nd6 Nb5 17. Bxb5 axb5 18. Rxb5 Rxa2 19. Qb3 Ra6 20. Rb6 Qg5
21. Qb4 Qd5 22. h3 Ra2 23. Qc3 f5 24. Re1 h6 25. Qe5 Qxe5 26. Rxe5 Ra5 27. f4
g5 28. fxg5 hxg5 29. g4 Ra1+ 30. Kh2 Ra2+ 31. Kg1 Ra1+ 32. Kh2 1/2-1/2

Certainly a promising start for the sacrifice, though no one has repeated it since.
  

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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #16 - 03/19/08 at 20:51:54
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Some news here - I had two practical games (Ok only 3-0 on ICC) against an IM and both games went:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 a6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Bd3 Nc6 8.0-0 Nd4 9.e5 Bc3 10.bc3 Nc6 11.ef6 Qf6 and unfortunatly I couldnt remember the thread and played twice 12.Ba3 and lost. I had to swap queens and was just a pawn down in the end.

I hope Ill get another chance to play this line and improve with the recommended 12.Rb1 which I forgot (OK 3-0 you dont have time - you just move  Wink)

Stay tuned...
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #15 - 01/25/08 at 11:49:19
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1) 12..., Be7 13. Qe2 (Na4 must be seriously taken as an alternative), d6 14. cd6:, Bd6: 15. Rfd1 (Here Rad1 is also very interesting), Qc7 16. g3, 0-0 17. Rac1 (With 17. Bh7+: white can already win back the pawn but I prefer to increase the pressure.), Rd8 18. Na4 with a promising position for white

Your right - the positions in these lines look dangerous for black.

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2) 12..., 0-0 13. Na4, e5 14. Nb6, Rb8 15. Bf5 (Not the only move which leads to an advantage), Nd4 16. Bd4:, ed4: 17. Qd3, g6 18. Qg3, d6 19. Nc8:, Rc8: 20. Bc8:, Qc8: 21. cd6: with advantage for white

Black has to play g6 at some point before e5 - I think position should be OK.

We need to practise now, to see what happens ... Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #14 - 01/20/08 at 05:07:08
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I had a look at your ideas. Below my recommendations.

1. e4, c5 2. Nf3, e6 3. d4, cd4: 4. Nd4:, a6 5. c4, Nf6 6. Nc3, Bb4 7. Bd3, Nc6 8. 0-0, Nd4: 9. e5, Be7 10. Be3, Nc6 11. ef6:, Bf6: 12. c5 (This is clearly my favourite but if white wants to try another path then 12. Qh5, Qa5 13. Qa5:, Na5: 14. c5 is fully acceptable)

1) 12..., Be7 13. Qe2 (Na4 must be seriously taken as an alternative), d6 14. cd6:, Bd6: 15. Rfd1 (Here Rad1 is also very interesting), Qc7 16. g3, 0-0 17. Rac1 (With 17. Bh7+: white can already win back the pawn but I prefer to increase the pressure.), Rd8 18. Na4 with a promising position for white

2) 12..., 0-0 13. Na4, e5 14. Nb6, Rb8 15. Bf5 (Not the only move which leads to an advantage), Nd4 16. Bd4:, ed4: 17. Qd3, g6 18. Qg3, d6 19. Nc8:, Rc8: 20. Bc8:, Qc8: 21. cd6: with advantage for white
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #13 - 01/13/08 at 10:03:59
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A very interesting alternative is 12. Qh5

Can I play 12...Qa5 on that?

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12. c5

This could become annoying for black - I propose two possible ways:

1) Play immediately (before castling) against c5-pawn with Be7 and d6
2) Castle, keep the bishop on f6, try to install a knight on d4 (after e5) and then play d6 to free the game

I am sorry that I dont have the time to work out concrete variations at the moment (holidays are over Smiley), but the feeling tells me White has to do something very fast, cause if Black gets full play he is simple a pawn up. And another thing come to my mind: Black could also decide at some moment to give the pawn back to reach a free game - the resulting position may be slightly favouring White, but thats ususal if you play Black.

Summing up for me I think the whole idea is a real shocker OTB, but its a little gambling. Facing a real strong opponent could perhaps even lead to a worse position for White. This is an important thought one should have before playing 8.0-0: How do I estimate the strength of the opp? Do I want to win this game or am I satisfied with a draw? Would it be desastrous to lose (eg in a team competition - White losses really count!)?

If someone will play this as Black against me on ICC I will certainly give it a practical try, as well as in Blitz- or Rapidgames. I am not sure about using in a classical time control.
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #12 - 01/12/08 at 19:42:43
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It took me some time to agree on the most promising way on 9 .., Be7 for white but below you can find my conclusion.

1. e4, c5 2. Nf3, e6 3. d4, cd4: 4. Nd4:, a6 5. c4, Nf6 6. Nc3, Bb4 7. Bd3, Nc6 8. 0-0, Nd4: 9. e5, Be7 10. Be3, Nc6 11. ef6:, Bf6: (The moveorder 10. ef6:, Bf6: 11. Be3, Nc6 looks also ok)
12. c5 (A very interesting alternative is 12. Qh5 preventing an easy 12. ...., 0-0.)
12..., 0-0 13. Na4 (White has a bunch of alternatives but this seems to me the most critical one)
13..., Be5 14. f4, Bc7 15. Qb3 or 15. Qd2 with excellent compensation for the pawn. Black can't free himself without serious concessions.


  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #11 - 01/02/08 at 16:20:58
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This is a really nice one! Smiley

As I play the Sicilian mainly with white it could be a surprise weapon. I was following this discussion and nearly thinking, that black is in real troubles - but (there is always a "but" after nearly Wink) looking deeper I would suggest:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Bd3 Nc6 8.O-O Nxd4 9.e5

and now 9...Be7

now:
1) 10.ef6 Bf6 and if 11.Ne4 Be7 (there are of course other 11. white moves - do they change something?)
2) 10.Be3 Nc6 11.Na4!? (threatening Bb6) d6

Either way blacks position looks solid and he is a pawn up - I am not sure if white has enough compensation, but faced OTB is another story
  
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Re: Spectacular early novelty in the Paulsen/Kan
Reply #10 - 12/29/07 at 10:51:45
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Maybe you guys can ask Richard Palliser or John Emms or anyone who is preparing the next update about this Smiley
  
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