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Re: 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.Bb3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d5
Reply #2 - 12/09/07 at 19:12:25
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Very helpful, Dragan, thank you - and 15...Bc5 to cover the b6 square certainly makes some sense - although the bishop might also be a tactical target on the open c-file.

I think after 15.Nc4 Bc5 White could try playing 16.Rd1!? cranking the pressure up a bit.  An interesting point is that 16...Qe7 17.Ne3 Bxe3 18.Bxe3 Nxe3 19.Ba4+ forces 19...Kf8 when White seems to have plenty of compensation for the pawn (and will probably win it back before long).

I'm not suggesting this is a win for White or anything but I do think it gives White the opportunity to play this line for a win, whereas the theory after 15.Rd1 Bxa3 was pointing fairly squarely towards a draw as far as I could tell.
  

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Re: 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.Bb3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d5
Reply #1 - 12/07/07 at 21:41:09
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Greetings,

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15. ..., Bc5; 16. Ne5 was where Werner (2301) - Seres (2443) agreed a draw (2004 Torakbalint HUN: XI Bela Papp Mem (4)).  Wink

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2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.Bb3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d5
12/07/07 at 16:22:06
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This line seems to have been causing White some headaches of late and while I don't think I've solved them I do think I've come up with an idea that might put the cat back among the pigeons for a while.  Forgive me if this is 'old hat' to experts - it's quite a new line to me so I may not be familiar with the finer points.

After 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.Bb3 Nc6 6.Nf3 (or 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3) 6...d5 7.exd6 Qxd6 8.Na3 a6 9.0-0 Bf5 10.d4 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Nxd4 12.cxd4 e6 13.Qf3 Qd7 14.d5!? (given as White's best try by most sources) 14...Nxd5, instead of 15.Rd1 when Black can play 15...Bxa3 16.bxa3 0-0 17.h4 Rac8 with equality, how about 15.Nc4!? keeping minor pieces on the board, centralising the knight and targeting some dark squares, and also forcing Black to spend time developing his bishop.

I'm sure black can defend but it might be one way to keep the position alive a bit longer.
  

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