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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #23 - 08/17/09 at 13:42:26
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A new book on the Budapest Gambit has just been issued
" The Budapest Gambit "by Timothy Taylor (Editor: Everyman chess)

Has someone already had a look to this book ?
and what is the difference with Moskalenko's book
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #22 - 05/10/09 at 15:08:28
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 03/31/08 at 19:45:56:
I bought Moskalenko's book (as almost anything published) but honestly, when I look at black position in the critical 11.g3 line, I cannot really believe in 'compensation'


do you mean this line?
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Bf4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bb4+ 6. Nc3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 Qe7 8. Qd5 f6 9. exf6 Nxf6 10. Qd3 d6 11. g3
  

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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #21 - 03/31/08 at 19:45:56
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I bought Moskalenko's book (as almost anything published) but honestly, when I look at black position in the critical 11.g3 line, I cannot really believe in 'compensation'

Perhaps I need to appreciate dynamic vs static a bit more, or perhaps it is indeed THE problem Wink
  

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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #20 - 03/17/08 at 09:49:43
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Thanks y'all who have taken the time to give your views, particularly Matemax there for a very considered review.

  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #19 - 03/17/08 at 08:42:29
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Bibs wrote on 01/19/08 at 09:25:05:
Just wondering - has anyone got a copy yet or had a proper look?

(No comments from anyone about 'avoid with Nf3',' is it sound?' or similar dirge thank you m'dears.)

Views?

Yeah, okay for club, but so is anything. Genuinely worthy material inside?

Any comments much appreciated. Distance to nearest shop stocking chess books in the thousands of miles for me, so have to reply on amazon and you folks.

Thanks in advance anyone,

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This book is reviewed at http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/Fabulous_Budapest_Gambit.html

This book is available in Australia. I saw a copy in our chess club yesterday.

I would first check with Australian Chess Enterprises. They have a very good website. I buy most of my books from them and they post books within days.
  

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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #18 - 02/15/08 at 18:13:26
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Finally I bought it too  Wink

Reading throught the pages the last two days I got a very positive impression. You can feel Moskalenkos attidute to chess and to the Budapest Gambit - there is no final conclusion, no solution, no panacea - there are just ideas, thoughts, possibilities, riddles and lots of "fabulous" stuff. Its a book to work with, to have a very well analysed starting point. It highlights all the strategical and tactical ways within classic and modern games. I was mostly impressed seeing a game of Moskalenko dated 2007 were he came up with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de5 Ng4 4.Bf4 g5!? and won. I just had a look at chesslive.de on recent games in this line and its really fighting chess. There are very few draws (I looked at the games 2007 and 2008) and probably more black wins than white ones. I like this book much more than those encyclopaedic works which are outdatet the very next day.

Recommended to all chess workers and chess philosophers - not recommend for the pure chess consumers.

Nothing comes from nothing but something from hard work  Wink
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #17 - 02/04/08 at 11:26:45
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I bought and thoroughly enjoyed The Fabulous Budapest.

He gives an interesting line for the declined, - a benko-volga!

I know that the Fajarowicz is not the best for black from a statistical point of view but it has great surprise value and is fun to play in club games.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #16 - 02/03/08 at 03:13:42
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/01/08 at 03:08:21:
Seriously, if I already have a good idea of the basic ideas in the Budapest and I have a good database, how exactly would Moskalenko's book help me as White against the Budapest?


It probably will not help you -- use your $ elsewhere.  Besides, White probably doesn't need any help against the Budapest.  I noticed Moskalenko himself avoided the BG against Akopian in Rd 1of the Moscow Open.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #15 - 02/01/08 at 03:08:21
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Thanks all for your reviews of Moskalenko's book.   Smiley

I have Tseitlin's book and wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless I absolutely had to beat them and knew they would blindly follow the analysis of the book!  (Okay, I'd feel guilty then and so wouldn't even recommend it to an enemy.)

Moskalenko's book seems to be not much better.

Seriously, if I already have a good idea of the basic ideas in the Budapest and I have a good database, how exactly would Moskalenko's book help me as White against the Budapest?
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #14 - 01/30/08 at 14:16:06
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I got the book to see if it provided any insights to the Faj
I was not disappointed.

I bought Gutmans Faj book 2 years ago and could never get my head around the concepts. (Not that they were really explained). 
However this book certainly makes the Faj a lot more accessible. I would recommend it as a starting point for Faj players backed up by Gutmans encyclopaedia as reference for the lines that appeal.

Glad I bought it.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #13 - 01/29/08 at 01:56:23
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Hello All:

Just got the book - 230+ pages. Just had a glance at it  but I must say I am disappointed; no index of variations.

Chapters have titles like Milky Way and Knight Poker. A lot of scanning necessary to find out that the Milky Way is 4.a3 in the Faro... Variation. Very annoying.

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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #12 - 01/24/08 at 18:04:14
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dsanchez wrote on 01/19/08 at 20:19:42:
kylemeister wrote on 01/19/08 at 19:54:40:
I've long had the impression that 3. d5 is common below some rating level, but it always appeared to me that the theoretical issue is whether White can equalize.


If there were some qualification for having an opinion, I wouldn't be allowed to have one.  But since there isn't  Wink, I kind of feel like 3.d5 is not the most testing move, and it probably gives up any advantage White might have out of this opening, but is it possible that he is now fighting for equality?  If Black plays normal moves, it looks like we could end up in a normal-looking KID or Benoni type of position.  I've been toying with the idea of 3...c6 to mix things up a bit.  Moskalenko recommends the Benko-ish 3...b5.




No.  A normal move would be 3...Bc5.  It seems clear then that equality is the best that White can hope for.

Also I don't agree with Mosalenko that the Budapest is a very good surprise weapon. Versus the Fajarowicz all White has to do is go 4.a3 and play chess. Versus 3...Ng5, he plays 4.e3 Nxe5 5.Nh3 and once again just plays chess.
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #11 - 01/22/08 at 02:04:59
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I purchased the book.


I believe the author presented an honest, well researched, well formatted tome.


I also believe it does nothing to dispell the notion that the Budapest is a lessor defensive choice, but at least it does so in an unpretentious and somewhat historically entertaining fashion.


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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #10 - 01/20/08 at 05:25:00
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Matemax wrote on 01/19/08 at 20:45:23:
Another question according to Moskalenkos book just come to mind:
Does Moskalenko think the Budapest is a drawing weapon or a winning attempt with Black?


Hard to say where Moskalenko falls exactly.  At times he seems enthusiastic about Black's chances, at other times he is more reserved.  I don't think he's prepared to contend that the BG should supplant the Slav in someone's repertoire, but I think he genuinely believes there is room for creativity and reasonable chances on a sometime basis.  I haven't come across the phrase "drawing weapon" in relation to the BG -- I kind of get the impression that he thinks it's either going to be 1-0 or 0-1.

In the Introduction he writes:  "Like many other players, I had been quite sceptical about the Budapest Gambit.  But as I went on, I realized that my initial suspicions were just not justified.  What's more, this gambit can surprise any player who is not sufficiently prepared, even at the highest level."

He notes that BG players likely belong to one of four categories:
A) youthful love of romatic chess
B) the surprise factor
c) the avoidance of theory
D) love of risks

Nothing about a solid opening offering definite chances when the tournament is on the line.

He includes some Megabase statistics that show big advantages for White in some lines.  But he seems to offer playable alternatives for Black.  He also notes that White's rating tends to be higher than Black's. 

Unfortunately, White has a number of systems to choose from, so Black may never be able to count on a clear path to equality.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #9 - 01/19/08 at 20:45:23
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I kind of feel like 3.d5 is not the most testing move, and it probably gives up any advantage White might have out of this opening

3.d5 is certainly a normal opening move - trying to avoid any troubles and trying to build up a massive center (e4,d5,c4). I think the most logical reaction is to play Bc5 followed by d6 to play a kind of Kings Indian but with the dark squared bishop outside the pawn chain (moreover there is the immediate possibility for White to go wrong by playing Bg5 without Nf3 - losing to Bf2 and Ng4). But probably white players will know their stuff in this variation. I also like your 3...c6 - perhaps it could also be played after Bc5? One more move I think is 3...g6 with the idea of the Kings Indian, where white may have comitted himself a bit early to d5. Moskalenkos 3...b5 is a tough nut for an amateur I think - you could easily end up in a position with a pawn down and not much compensation. Also you have to know Benko Gambit ideas in this line - which is the same as knowing King Indians ideas.

All the times I played the Budapest (mostly on ICC these days - OTB I think its too difficult to get winning chances with it) white always played 3.de5. I think if a white player goes for d4/c4 on his first two moves he is ready to meet the gambit lines (Budapest, Albin, Chigorin) and he thinks he has more aces in his hands than black.

Another question according to Moskalenkos book just come to mind:
Does Moskalenko think the Budapest is a drawing weapon or a winning attempt with Black?
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #8 - 01/19/08 at 20:28:12
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I've always thought that 3...Bc5 is the standard move.  NCO gives that as leading to equality, while ECO gives it as leading to a slight advantage for Black.

  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #7 - 01/19/08 at 20:19:42
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kylemeister wrote on 01/19/08 at 19:54:40:
I've long had the impression that 3. d5 is common below some rating level, but it always appeared to me that the theoretical issue is whether White can equalize.


If there were some qualification for having an opinion, I wouldn't be allowed to have one.  But since there isn't  Wink, I kind of feel like 3.d5 is not the most testing move, and it probably gives up any advantage White might have out of this opening, but is it possible that he is now fighting for equality?  If Black plays normal moves, it looks like we could end up in a normal-looking KID or Benoni type of position.  I've been toying with the idea of 3...c6 to mix things up a bit.  Moskalenko recommends the Benko-ish 3...b5.


  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #6 - 01/19/08 at 19:59:51
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It is not a repertoire book.  Just the Big 3 main line variations (4.Bf4, 4.e4, 4.Nf3), a few of the less common tries (4.f4, 4.Qd4/5), and a bit on the declined stuff.

I think there have been some threads on this site about repertoires that include the Budapest -- not positive about that though.

4.e3 Ngxe5 5.Nh3 receives very little coverage -- only one game that I can tell.  Mosk annotates the game Gurevich - Tisdall, 1988, where Black played 5...g6.  He also comments that 5...Bc5, 5...d6, and 5...Ng6 are also playable, but he doesn't offer a whole lot in the way of thematic ideas. 

If you're thinking about investing in this book, do so for the coverage of the main lines, which is pretty good.  The sidelines are mentioned for the sake of thoroughness, but that's about it.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #5 - 01/19/08 at 19:54:40
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I've long had the impression that 3. d5 is common below some rating level, but it always appeared to me that the theoretical issue is whether White can equalize.  

I also have the impression that John Donaldson's reviews are shadows of their former selves ...
http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/Fabulous_Budapest_Gambit.html
  
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Reply #4 - 01/19/08 at 19:14:58
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Thx  Smiley
2 more questions:
Is it a repertoire book?
Does he also cover the system with Nh3 and e3?
  
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Reply #3 - 01/19/08 at 17:27:29
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I have this book.  Haven't had a chance to dig in too deeply yet, but so far I like it and would recommend it above either Tseitlin's book or Borik's old book.

It has a nice mix of strategic discussion and theoretical analisys.  I'd say it's a good start for someone just starting out with the BG, or someone who wants an annotated collection of quality BG games.  It's a bit inconsistent at times.  Sometimes Moskalenko will look at alternative variations in some detail; other times he will simply say something like: "7...Bg4 is also okay."

Speaking of "Starting Out," I'd say this book falls somewhere between the first Starting Out books published 5 or 6 years ago, which covered basic ideas, plans, and piece placements, and the Starting Out books today with their ridiculous morass of variations. 

Moskalenko uses a lot of space covering Rubinstein's 4.Bf4.  In fact, the first 100 or so pages are dedicated to this variation.  He discusses the merits and drawbacks of 5.Nc3 and 5.Nd2 using both classic and modern games to illustrate the evolution of the opening.  He also discusses White's 11.e3 vs 11.g3 in the main lines, recommending 11.g3 as stronger.  He gives some analysis to the ubiquitous 4...g5, which seems to bet the prescription against almost any opening these days.

The second part of the book is devoted to Alekhine's 4.e4.  Moskalenko recommends either the immediate 4...Nxe5 or 4...h4!?. After 4...Nxe5 he spends some time on 5.f4.

The third part covers the classical 4.Nf3, which at amateur levels is far and away the most popular move.

The final part of the book is dedicated to the Gambit declined and the Fajarowicz.  Coverage of the declined gambit is relatively scant, Moskalenko dismissing the lines as "not posing Black great difficulties."  In my opinion, this dismissive view is a serious deficiency.  At amateur level, 3.d5 is almost as popular as accepting the gambit, and while it may not cause Black great difficulties, I think one would still have to say White has a slight edge, and the flavor of the game is changed considerably.  If you are going to write a book aimed toward amateurs about a gambit system, whether it's the Budapest, the Smith-Morra, the Goring, or whatever, you simply have to put some effort into the declined variations.

Moskalenko's style is a bit desultory, and sometimes it's a bit difficult to follow his train of thought.  He'll make a few introductory remarks about a system, then go off on a bit of a tangent, and then come back to it later.  But the overall organization of the book is coherent enough.

In summary:  I think it's a good book, and probably essential for anyone who plays the BG or who wants to learn the BG.
  
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Re: Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
Reply #2 - 01/19/08 at 16:52:34
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Hmm. Somewhere on the hfile.

Osaka, Japan.
Maybe somewhere in China nearest - Shanghai a possibility.  Maybe Hong Kong - but not much chess there. Nothing in Koreas.
South a bit to Australia the safest bet I imagine. Are they sufficiently literate down there to justify the existence of book shops? Will look alphabetically between beer and cricket and hope. Next to biogs of the Chappell brothers no doubt.

Anyhow, enough of this drivel - views anyone?
  
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Reply #1 - 01/19/08 at 15:42:50
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Distance to nearest shop stocking chess books in the thousands of miles for me

I dont have the book but would appreciate comments on it. What I even more curios about is your position on this globe - lets say Paris=e4 where are you living?  Huh
  
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Moskalenko Budapest book - views?
01/19/08 at 09:25:05
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Just wondering - has anyone got a copy yet or had a proper look?

(No comments from anyone about 'avoid with Nf3',' is it sound?' or similar dirge thank you m'dears.)

Views?

Yeah, okay for club, but so is anything. Genuinely worthy material inside?

Any comments much appreciated. Distance to nearest shop stocking chess books in the thousands of miles for me, so have to reply on amazon and you folks.

Thanks in advance anyone,

Bibs
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