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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #24 - 07/27/11 at 08:19:38
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saubhikr wrote on 01/26/08 at 02:34:11:
I was also interested to  know what attacted these variations. Like if somebody plays open variation, what are the main reasons for that. Any more details....?

My main reasons for playing the Open:
*it's theoretically sound.
*it leads to intersting compllicated positions full of play.
*it's very flexible: both players have lots of options.
*it's currently quite out of fashion: so white may be out of his comfort zone (limited experience with the type of positions) and may even have forgotten the theory altogether.

I've also been looking at the Modern Steinitz for the same reasons.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #23 - 07/26/11 at 19:27:03
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Does "Petrosian" stand for 3...a5?
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #22 - 07/26/11 at 19:15:59
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kylemeister wrote on 07/26/11 at 17:47:07:
OT:  LostTactic, I fear that at this rate you will run out of new openings/variations to take up (and buy specific books/videos on) long before you play in your first chess tournament.


Ye that's true, I've been trying very hard the last few weeks to find the "right" openings based on my style and temperament. I watched Kasparov's 3 Najdorf volumes a few weeks ago, and I think I've been influenced greatly to try and play the openings he does, which is probably a bad idea after checking my results, specifically with the Najdorf, I either get crushed on the kingside or come undone in sharp tactical battles. Whereas in the Kalashnikov I seem to be doing a lot better (is the Kalashnikov a positional opening? I always thought it was tactics orienated, but I don't have a clue tbh...), also the same story with the Grunfeld/King's Indian as opposed to the QGD, having much better results in the latter, tbh I think I'm going to try and build a repertoire around trying to reach and endgame where I'm slightly worse with black and slightly better as white, because after reviewing my own games (albeit only 5min online blitz games), endgames are definitely the strongest part of my game. The problem for me though is I find these quieter openings boring (referring to QGD, I like the Klashnikov a lot), but I seem to have better results with them, so I guess I should stick with it.

On topic: Thinking about it, the Berlin is the obvious backup choice to my Kalashnikov.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #21 - 07/26/11 at 19:00:32
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Schliemann here.
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #20 - 07/26/11 at 18:16:13
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LostTactic wrote on 07/26/11 at 17:11:22:
I have Jan Gustaffson's DVD on open games, but he tends to favour lines that are too aggressive for me.


Then the Zaitsev would be a bad choice...
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #19 - 07/26/11 at 17:47:07
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OT:  LostTactic, I fear that at this rate you will run out of new openings/variations to take up (and buy specific books/videos on) long before you play in your first chess tournament.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #18 - 07/26/11 at 17:11:22
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Anyone know if "The Ruy Lopez - A Guide for Black" is still the best reference book on the Zaitsev? Also would Marin's "Beating the Open Games" still be the best complement? I have Jan Gustaffson's DVD on open games, but he tends to favour lines that are too aggressive for me.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
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I was also interested to  know what attacted these variations. Like if somebody plays open variation, what are the main reasons for that. Any more details....?
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #16 - 01/24/08 at 12:42:52
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If it is books only, then Keres should have scored more as Davies' e4-e5 covers this
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #15 - 01/23/08 at 22:03:35
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Antillian wrote on 01/23/08 at 16:04:06:
I presume the popularity of the two leading choices - Rubinstein and the Zaiztev has more  to do with the two recent Black repertoire books than with the merits of these systems.


Well, yes and no.  I'm sure the books have led to their popularity, but I don't think you can really challenge the relative merits of these systems, either...
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #14 - 01/23/08 at 16:05:25
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As of today, the Zaitsev prevails.  Excelsior.

  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #13 - 01/23/08 at 16:04:06
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I presume the popularity of the two leading choices - Rubinstein and the Zaiztev has more  to do with the two recent Black repertoire books than with the merits of these systems.
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #12 - 01/23/08 at 15:38:42
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I did play a few marshalls back in the day, then experimented on the breyer, but now am sorely tempted to take a look at the open & archangelski.
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #11 - 01/22/08 at 17:41:59
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Girkassa wrote on 01/21/08 at 18:26:52:
Wow, good spread in here. All 10 alternatives have at least 1 of the 36 votes. Am I the only Breyer player here?


I justed voted for the Breyer also, so that makes 2 of us!
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #10 - 01/22/08 at 13:01:02
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Rubenstein is the Na5 (Chigorin) followed by Qc7 variation. Marin proposed this as the main response to Ruy Lopez.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #9 - 01/22/08 at 11:16:49
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Which is the Rubinstein's Variation?

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #8 - 01/22/08 at 02:07:59
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I like the Exchange variation the best.


Really, I do.


Gimme dem B's and what you got baked in the oven for 5. ...  Qf6.  


  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #7 - 01/21/08 at 21:51:14
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Girkassa wrote on 01/21/08 at 18:26:52:
Wow, good spread in here. All 10 alternatives have at least 1 of the 36 votes. Am I the only Breyer player here?


I picked Chigorin, but have been sorely tempted to work through the Breyer and Smyslov.  It seems as though commentators dismiss the Smyslov (9...h6) as being a bit slow; is this still accurate, or have there been new ideas here that warrant attention?
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #6 - 01/21/08 at 19:37:33
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Had to be Archangel for me although New Archangel would have been more accurate.

In the Archangel proper, Black plays an early ...Bb7, but I prefer to keep the option of a later ...Bg4 open, if only to try to provoke W into playing h2-h3.

Both used to rack up loads of points for me as a junior in the 1980s.  White players were accustomed to seeing Fischer and then Karpov grind out wins against just about everybody in the Closed lines, or the latter smashing Korchnoi up in the Open, and the impression was that the Spanish just gave White a risk-free game with Black hoping to draw if he was lucky.

A few casual moves later and they'd often find themselves under attack - and that oh-so-natural h2-h3 push came home to roost as the Black g-pawn went flying up the board towards their castled king ...

Haven't played this way for a while though, it must be said - not sure it's completely sound against a strong opponent who knows what he is doing.  Having said that, a lot stronger players than me have played it recently - and against much stronger players than I usually encounter ... so maybe it's time to give it a whirl again!
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #5 - 01/21/08 at 18:26:52
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Wow, good spread in here. All 10 alternatives have at least 1 of the 36 votes. Am I the only Breyer player here?
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #4 - 01/21/08 at 17:13:27
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"Other without 3...a6" should perhaps have been an option.  I voted Zaitsev, by the way.  A few years ago, it would've been Open.
  

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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #3 - 01/21/08 at 15:32:13
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Cozio.
  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #2 - 01/19/08 at 17:09:59
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Agree with Bibs. 

Also, with respect, the poll itself is no good because it leaves out too many of the main choices.  You don't even list the Marshall, which is supposed to be the most popular at GM level. 

  
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Re: Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
Reply #1 - 01/19/08 at 15:06:09
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Why? Does this help?
  
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Poll: Favorite Ruy Lopez variation for black
01/19/08 at 14:57:49
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Wanted to know what is the most popular variation in Ruy Lopez
  
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