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Re: What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
Reply #5 - 05/05/08 at 21:09:06
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The problem with 1.c4 e6 is that, as others have pointed out, white can either: (a)exchange on d5 after 2.Nc3 d5 3.cd in which case you're in a QGD, or; (b)allow you to take the pawn and play e4 after 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 dc 4.e4 when you have lost a tempo on the normal Nc3 lines in the QGA by playing ...e6 too early.

I have been a QGA devotee for some time now, and I think it is sensible to just treat the English as a completely different entity rather than try to transpose into a queen's pawn opening. I play 1...c5 and use Palliser's "Beating Unusual Chess Openings" as a guide for the symmetrical (although there are many other resources).

Another thing you might want to look into is 1.Nf3 d5 which also gives you some opportunities to transpose into the QGA. If white follows up with 2.c4 then after 2...dc they may allow you into the QGA by playing 3.e3. Be careful, though, because there are independent moves like 3.e4, 3.Na3, and 3.Qa4 that are independent Reti ground for which you have to be prepared.

I would say that your chances of getting into a QGA against 1.c4 are slim to none, but against 1.Nf3 you have a much higher likelihood of reaching your desired positions, or at least those of a similar character.
  
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Re: What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
Reply #4 - 03/15/08 at 07:37:05
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1c4 seems to prevent a qga. When Matthew Sadler used this as his main anti 1d4 he played 1..e5 and did pretty well. I suspect that what your trying to achieve is to minimise the number of lines that you need to know . The other real problem in my view is that your unlikely to face 1c4 as often and hence it might be dangerous to take on a well versed English player in his main lines simply because he will probably know them much better than you. If you played the KID or Semi Slav then this would not be an issue as you can transpose.
  
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Re: What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
Reply #3 - 03/14/08 at 23:27:24
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As White, the opening I see the most from opponents who normally play the QGA but can't due to my move order is some form of QID/Bogo-Indian.  One move order goes:  1.Nf3 (I rarely play 1.c4, but this transposes) Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.d4.b6! (3...Bb4?! is played less often)

This is also the preferred weapon of opponents who play the Budapest as Black.  I do occasionally see Benonis, but usually with b6 thrown in at some point.
  
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Re: What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
Reply #2 - 03/13/08 at 15:02:22
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Hello,

Don't think it is possible to aim for QGA against 1.c4. If 1c4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 pxp 4. e4 not so good for black. It is possible against 2.Nf3. Most QGA players would play 1...e5, or play a Slav setup, which can tranpose later.

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Re: What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
Reply #1 - 03/13/08 at 14:57:47
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Well, 1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 is kinda tricky as 3...dxc4 4.e4! is just good for White as far as I can tell.

I have dabbled with the QGA in the past but it's my firm belief that 1.c4 should be 'punished' - instead of allowing White to transpose to QP openings having avoided various Black defences along the way.  So 1...e5! has always been my choice (with either 2...d6 and 3...f5 to follow, or the reversed Dragon lines).

1...c5 is of course also a perfectly respectable way to punish White although I don't have a taste for the positions that arise when White eschews an early d4 in those lines.
  

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What do QGA players play against  1.c4 ?
03/13/08 at 14:04:54
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We know that  1.c4 paractically cant escape the QGD after the move  1...e6. (they can if they really want   Smiley   )

Can the same move order be used by the QGA player ?

Lets see  :  1. c4 e6 2. Nc3/ (Nf3 )  d5 3. d4 dxc4  4. Nf3/ (Nc3)

Rizzitano in his book mentions that QGA can be reached through other moveorders. Hen mentions only  

1. Nf3 d5  2.d4 Nf6  3. c4  dxc4

1. Nf3 d5  2.c4 dxc4 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bxc4 e6 5. d4 c5

From line 2 above  one should just start with the move  1.c4 ? Is it so simple ? Is there any catch to be aware of as a QGA player when facing  1.c4 ?  

In Rizzitanos examples we can not find any move with an early Nc3.
Do any QGA player here play  1..e6 against  1.c4 going for  QGA standard positions ? 

It would be very practical/economical to have this route against the  1. c4 player. Perhaps there could be a greater risk to for black to face the Catalan If I invite to QGA ?

Do QGA players normally "fish for QGA"  with  1...e6 against   1.c4 or do they normally go for two separate defences ?

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