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Reply #75 - 05/22/11 at 06:27:42
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ArKheiN wrote on 05/21/11 at 21:14:06:
You should look at what I have said before in the same thread... It seems that 12.d5 is ok for Black (nice work from ametanoitos) but I have pointed out that the simple and natural 12.0-0 is very good, we have not find the path to equality here.


12. ---Nxd4! is ok for black.13.Nxd4-Bxd4 14.Qa4+-Bd7 15.Bxf7-Kxf7 16.Qxd4-Bb5 17.Rfe1-Rhd8 18.Qb2-Rd3 19.Bh6-Rg8 20.Be3-a6 21.Rac1 with a slight advantage for white.But I think not enough for a win.
I think my variation is better for a win and easier to play.
  
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Reply #74 - 05/21/11 at 21:14:06
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You should look at what I have said before in the same thread... It seems that 12.d5 is ok for Black (nice work from ametanoitos) but I have pointed out that the simple and natural 12.0-0 is very good, we have not find the path to equality here.
  
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Reply #73 - 05/21/11 at 19:12:04
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[quote author=735F5746535C5D5B465D41320 link=1206492047/0#0 date=1206492047]As my KID was refuted (see http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1205276041) i got back in business with the Gunfeld which i had kept in reserve for several years. 
 In my first game i had the opportunity to display my good preparation, releasing a novelty i had discovered in 2004. After 
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 V.Jansa in his book "Dynamic chess Strategy" speaks for the theme of undermining the white center before black castles because after castling we give white a tempo to safeguard his centre. That's why i studied:

9...cxd4! 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qh5! In CBM122 M.Krasenkow analyses 11...Qd8 concluding that black has equality.Of course i didn't knew all that in 2004. The biggest problem with 11...Qd8 is that 12.Be3 is a repeating line after 12...Qa5+ 13.Bd2. With 11...Qh5 white's center is going to be undermined with Qg4 which is a strong threat.

12. d5 Ne5 13. Bb5+ Bd7 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15. Rb1! (the main line in NCO and Sakaev.In every other line black gets excellent play) 

Fritz will play 15.Rc1 and now 15.--Dg4 ?!(Ametanoitos idea) 16.Nf4!-Qxd1 17.Kxd1-b6 18.Be3 and white is much better. Idea: Ke2, Rc4 and Rhc1
Better is perhaps 15.--0-0 16.Rc7-Rfd8 17.Ng3-Qxd1 18.Kxd1-b6 19.Ke2-Be5 20.Tc6-with the same ideas Rhc1 and f4 . I like this positions for white!
  
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Reply #72 - 07/23/09 at 08:56:44
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Maybe i should search again this line with the help of Rybka. Afterall this variation has my name!  Grin. I'll be back!.....
  
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Reply #71 - 07/22/09 at 19:13:32
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I am sorry to say that but I find nothing to equalize for Black after 12. O-O O-O 13. Be3 Rd8 14.Rb1! b6 15.Rb5! I have searched improvments for Black here and before but I couldn't. ametanoitos say that 12..Bxd4 is a safe draw but really not safe for me! I would never play that OTB whatever the level of my opponent is.
  
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Reply #70 - 06/13/08 at 12:12:26
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12.Be3 Qg4 13.Ng3 Qxd1+ 14.Rxd1 is at least ok for white, anyway I don't see what should be the problem of agreeing a quick draw...

12.d5 Ne5 13.Bb5+ ... 16.Ng3 Qxd1+...  27...e6 "always the problem with d5" and here I play the logical (and always the same by the way) 28.g5
So please try to consider the best options for white...

After 22.Qxb7 I can either play 22...Be5 and black should be fine or 22...Rad8 23.Re3 Qh4+ 24.Rgg3 Qxh2 25.Rh3 Qg2 26.Qxe7 Qxd5 27.Rd3 Qa8 with I think a good position. (I don't know which one is best, or if there are other ways for black to play)

After 23...e6 I play 24.Rc4

Sorry for having made some bad mistake on your nickname Smiley

On the main variation we have a completely different evaluation of the final position, but maybe after 17.d5 you will change your mind...
  
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Reply #69 - 06/13/08 at 10:00:40
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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8.Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qh5 12. O-O

(12. Be3 Qg4! of course! Please read my previous posts. Maybe then you'll arreciate the Qh5 idea better!) 

(12. d5  Ne5 13. Bb5+ Bd7 14. Bxd7+ Nxd7 15. Rb1 Qg4 16. Ng3

(16. Qa4 O-O  (16... b6 17. Nf4 O-O 18. h3 Nc5 19. hxg4 Nxa4 20.Ke2
Rfc8 21. Rhc1 Bb2 22. Rxc8+ Rxc8 23. Nd3 Bg7 24. Nb4 Rc4 25. Kd3 Rd4+ 26. Ke3 Nc5 27. f3 e6 always the problem with d5! 28. Nc6 (28. Bc3 Rc4 29. Bxg7 Kxg7 30. Nc6 (30. dxe6 Nxe6) 30...
Ra4 31. Rb2 exd5 32. exd5 Kf6) 28... Ra4 Maybe i don't understand well but i think that Black is better here!) 

17. f3 Qxg2 18. Rg1 Qxf3 19. Qxd7 Qxe4 20. Rb4 Qf3 21. Rb3 Qe4  22. Qxb7 Junior 10 gives the following lines as winning for White. Junior is considered the strongest program available who can evaluate best in these kind of unequal material distribution positions Rac8 (22... Rad8 23. Re3 Qc4 24.
Bc3 Rxd5 25. Bxg7 Kxg7 26. Qxe7) 23. Re3 Qc2 24. Rxe7 Bf6 25. d6 Rfd8 26. Bf4
Rc4 27. Bg5 Bxe7 28. dxe7)

16... Qxd1+ 17. Kxd1 h5 18. f3 h4 19. Nf1 b6 20. Ke2 Nc5 21. Ne3 Rc8  22. Rhc1 Kd7 23. h3  Your analysis  {Here you see the problem of a prematurous ...h5, black has
got a new, permanent weakness almost for free !} e6! 24. Bb4 Bd4 25. Rc2 Rh5 and Black should have a nice edge here!)

12... O-O 13. Be3 Rd8 14. Rb1   

{Of course the best, white intends to play 15.Rb5} b6 15. Qa4 Na5 {
Ametonaitos} My nick-name is "Ametanoitos"  16. Bb5  Bb7 17. f3   17... Rac8 18. Rfc1 {Well, here I will just let you take a look at this line compared to the other ones of the grunfeld... Black's pieces are badly coordinated, white's position is very compact...} e6  What? What's the problem here? What is the threat? I just don't understand!!!!

@MNb: If you'll start a discusion about the fianchetto Grunfeld (my pet line with White) you;ll here my opinion about the White;s chances. But here i don't believe he has anything special.

  
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Re: At last i got the chance to play my novelty!
Reply #68 - 06/13/08 at 07:34:14
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Well, maybe you misunderstood my intentions...
What I wanted was to SHARE my opinion on this variation. As I already said I have worked this variation for a long time and so I am aware of its nuances quite well Smiley
And well, with my new posts, you had to seek improvements almost everywhere !
Also, I am very critical about computers, but sometimes they are helpful (sometimes not, especially on some endgames...)
Anyway, please believe me that the refutation of your idea 13...Rd8 14.Rb1 b6 15.Qa4 Bd7 16.Bb5 a6 17.Bxc6 Qxe2 18.Rxb6 I could find by myself (I am not so bad  Wink)
Of course, your variation is playable, but this is the case of almost every variation Smiley What I meant was that if white plays well, he endures a durable edge.
I will answer some of your ideas here, but for more details you can check the pgn :

In Sakaev's and Vachier-Lagrave's endgame, I think that you were a bit quick : 17...h5 18.f3 h4 19.Nf1! (a move that the computer doesn't like, by the way Wink) when white's king comes to e2 and the knight to e3, and white enjoys a durable edge with the weakness remaining on h4 or h3. I don't know the analysis of Sakaev after 17...b6, but I simply don't see how white will be better.

In what I think is the main variation, after your new idea 15...Na5 I play 16.Bb5 (because white's knight is quite fine on e2, at least compared to the queen on h5 Smiley) and then black's pieces are very badly coordinated.

Your idea in the Atalik ending is not good : after 17...Rb8 18.Rc1 0-0 I play 19.f3 (no more back rank problems !), and I think that black is on the edge of losing !
So you have to play this 4-3 rook ending which you "should try really hard to lose" but I just don't want to count the number of GM's that lost it, including Kasparov (he was in a bad day, of course, but still it means that it is not as easy as you want to believe)
And at least it shouldn't be your goal to get this position on the board.

FInally I wanted to say that everywhere I criticized your ideas it was because I had a different evaluation of the position Smiley and not just because I wanted to criticize...
I know that it is impossible to always give the best moves, but it is important to try to do so in critical situations, and that is the problem of Grunfeld : there are many ones !
Ametanoitos wrote on 06/11/08 at 15:35:42:
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I just wanted to connect our powers to conclude if we can trust, or not this variation.


Well I wanted to help for that, and my general opinion is that in practical play this is fully playable (because of the surprise) but I believe that it is not a reliable variation from a theoretical point of view.

NB : I hope that your "a 2200+ player" and "many hours of work together with strong players (even GMs)" were not meant as authority arguments, because I would trust nobody, including myself, without a deep analysis (and correct of course...)
What would have been the use of telling you that I'm a 2400+ player, and that I also checked this variation with GM's ? I think it would just have sterilized the discussion, although I wish it would not have !

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Reply #67 - 06/13/08 at 00:42:34
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Ametanoitos wrote on 06/12/08 at 19:59:10:
   My final point is that i don't have the will to make a post again like my last, because people forget about the general picture. MNb make a comment only anout my last alinea. 

No, I didn't: see the words "an excellent post". And these words apply to most of your posts. My big frustration is that you only look at the GID from Black's perspective. I'd rather see you take up White's case. And that is also the reason I never react.
So I sincerely hope you will find your will back.  Wink
  

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Reply #66 - 06/12/08 at 19:59:10
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/11/08 at 22:13:57:


This is one of the most self-serving, self-martyring quotes I have read here.  Perhaps, just perhaps, you should read the comments of such bloggers as Semko, John Cox, dom, and others before you go and commit yourself to the flames of self-martydom.  

Blooming heck, who do you think your audience is????


  Maybe you misunderstood what i wanted to say (maybe i didn't expressed myself right  Embarrassed). When i was talking about "free", i didn't mean money. I meant the willigness to share with you an interesting idea i have been working for the last 4 years without hidding anything. I'm not in a position all the time to give concrete answers to shallow questions that require a certain amount of chess knowledge that i cannot provide. (I don't have time for that at present)
   Questions of the type "What do you play here? You cannot answer? White is better, your idea sucks." which i came to the position to answer to myself after years or study, after many hours of work together with strong players (even GMs), after lots of training games, etc....Anyone who want furhter details can send me an PM. I have no intention to ask anybody to pay me for my answers (although i'm a chess teacher myself and i have act as a second to some GMs from time to time).How do you expect me to answer these questions? I usually say "I have come to this or that conclusion, for the details check yourself the variations" Or maybe i should write a 4 pages post explaining everything? And if i do that,then  "Ametanoitos has made a mistake there, White is better, his idea sucks! My PC says that...." and we continue to keep our minds and eyes closed, we prefer to be lazy, we feel nice that someone from Greece didn't find something good after all. I don't want to convince you about the soundness of my idea (my discovery is not that great after all, just a minor improvement on a playable variation). I just wanted to connect our powers to conclude if we can trust, or not this variation. How will i again (or anybody else who followed this post) have the right mood to share in the future another idea or discovery if i know that there will be such attacks?
   My final point is that i don't have the will to make a post again like my last, because people forget about the general picture. MNb make a comment only anout my last alinea. My friend, my last alinea didn't come out of the blue! I think it is a waste of time to defend myself all the time against personal attacks by members of this forum. So, feel free to attack me, i'll continue with chess only. 

And again, i'd like to express my apriciation to members like Fighting Dragon and TopNotch who never made an attack against anyone here and i have found their posts very usefull and sincere all the time. And MNb and Smyslov fan have always a strong opinion that i respect.
  
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Reply #65 - 06/12/08 at 02:24:55
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FightingDragon wrote on 06/11/08 at 23:24:31:
I think we should focus on chess again!

I didn't have enough time to check the latest posts, but when I've done so I will give my thoughts.

I think we should be thankful to Ametanoitos sharing his analysis here, as  98% of the forum posts are the likes of "what is the best 3rd move in the French" and other stuff full of hollow posts without any single variation.


Yes quite right, I much prefer this type to those. Lets hope this thread does not degenerate to the likes of discussing the grammatical merits of pressurize, more pressure and apply pressure to as once happened in another thread for at least two or three tedious pages.

On the plus side, regardless of whether Ametanitos' idea is worthy of repeating, he did at last get the chance to play his novelty, and that is, after all, what he wanted to communicate.  Undecided

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Reply #64 - 06/12/08 at 00:40:21
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FightingDragon wrote on 06/11/08 at 23:24:31:

I think we should be thankful to Ametanoitos sharing his analysis here.

My gratitude is a bit ambiguous - I'd rather see him taking up the white point of view.
Though S_F uses quite strong words I am afraid I basically agree. That last alinea spoils an excellent post.
  

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I think we should focus on chess again!

I didn't have enough time to check the latest posts, but when I've done so I will give my thoughts.

I think we should be thankful to Ametanoitos sharing his analysis here, as  98% of the forum posts are the likes of "what is the best 3rd move in the French" and other stuff full of hollow posts without any single variation.
  
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Reply #62 - 06/11/08 at 22:13:57
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Ametanoitos wrote on 06/11/08 at 14:35:42:
OK, time for a free chess lesson!


Because i'm the only one in the whole forum (with some exceptions) that posts so much analysis here for free and instead of some words of apreciation i only receive ironic attacks, i' never again post any analysis of that kind. If anyone want something he can send me a private message. 

Thanks for your time,
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This is one of the most self-serving, self-martyring quotes I have read here.  Perhaps, just perhaps, you should read the comments of such bloggers as Semko, John Cox, dom, and others before you go and commit yourself to the flames of self-martydom.   

Blooming heck, who do you think your audience is????
  
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Reply #61 - 06/11/08 at 14:35:42
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OK, time for a free chess lesson!

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qh5 12. d5 Ne5 13. Bb5+ Bd7 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15. Rb1 Qg4 16. Ng3 Qxd1+

My opinion is that after the exchange of Quenns Black, who has a queeside majority, increases his chances of winning because he can use more effectivelly pawn-breaks and his active king, to pressurize White's center. This means that a passed d-pawn will now be far less dangerous than the mobile Black's majority. 

17. Kxd1 h5! 

Yes! This move is more usefull than weakening the c6 square right now! Black uses tactics to postpone for a while the ,,,b6 move. 18. f3 h4 Now all the time White has to calculate a possible ...h3! weakening f3 (for instance with a Black knight on e5) or will play h3 himself, creating a weakness in his black squares complex in the kingside.

19. Ne2 b6

only now that is forced! 

20. Rc1 Nc5 21. Be3 Rc8 22. Nd4 

see the weak c6?

22...Bxd4 23. Bxd4 Rh5!

My God! This h pawn proved very usefull after all! It provided a "luft" for my Rook in the 5th rank!

24. Kd2 Kd7 25. Ke3 e6 26. dxe6+ Nxe6 27. Rxc8 Kxc8 28. Bf6 Ra5 29. Rc1+ Kd7 30. Rc2 g5 31. Rd2+ Kc6 

This is from a training game with G.Spyropoulos (a 2200+ player) back in 2005. Black has restrained White's kingside majority, his e6 knight is very stable and his rook is active. All these, together with the queenside majority provides at least a good game for Black!

Please don't make me to give such extensive answers all the time. I have other things to do!  Wink

If someone thinks that he should not trust my analysis why bother and post here? Ignor me and let me live in my fantasies! At least these are "my" variations and not my computer's!:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qh5 12. O-O O-O 13. Be3 Rd8 14.Rb1 b6 15. Qa4

playing Bd7 and trying to remove the defence of Ne2 is nice idea but don't work in practise as your computers mentioned! So, i'll put a little and "stupid" move on my computer ("my move" because i don't see what is White's threat!) and see how it will win this graet position for White!

15...Na5!? 16. Nf4 Qh4 17. g3 (Another choice of the "silicon beast" is 17. Bd5 Rb8 18. g3 Qf6 19. e5 Qf5 20. f3 Bd7 21. Qb4 Bc6 22. g4 Qc8 23. Rfc1 Qb7 and Black is alittle better after all!) (Another "stupid try" from the "loyal" friend 17. Bb5 Bb7 18. g3 Qf6 doesn't lead anywhere also ) 17... Qf6 18.e5 Qf5 19. Bd3 Qd7 20. Qxd7 Bxd7 and my subjective opinion is that only Black's position makes some sense!

Finally, 

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qh5 12. O-O Bxd4 The "safe option" 13. Nxd4 Qxd1 14. Rfxd1 Nxd4 15. Bc3 e5 16. Bxd4 exd4 17. Rxd4 Rb8 An idea if you want to avoid the 4 against 3 rook ending which anyone should try really hard to lose! 18. Rc1 O-O 19. Bb3 Be6 now that white lost a tempo 20. Bxe6 fxe6 opening the f-file is important because Black will attack the f2 in some lines! 21. Rd7 Rfc8 

(21... Rbc8 gives the opportunity to White to forse a draw 22. Rb1 Rc2 23. f3 b6 24. Rxa7 Rd8 25. g4 Rdd2) 22. Rxc8+ (22. Rcc7
Rxc7 23. Rxc7 Rd8) 

22... Rxc8 23. g3 Rc2 24. Rxb7 Rxa2 25. Re7 Ra6 26. Kg2 h5 Black does't risk to lose here. He has the only passed pawn on the board (White cannot make one) and if sometime the White King tries to penetrate the white pawns will get attacked by the rook. The endgame has to be a draw, but Black can outplay his opponent without to much risk of losing (as my coach says" Black has 2 or 3 emergency doors here!")

Because i'm the only one in the whole forum (with some exceptions) that posts so much analysis here for free and instead of some words of apreciation i only receive ironic attacks, i' never again post any analysis of that kind. If anyone want something he can send me a private message. 

Thanks for your time,
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