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Re: A few lines of the Goring Gambit
Reply #2 - 04/07/08 at 23:47:25
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I discounted 6 Bc4 d6 7 Qb3 Bxc3+ 8 Qxc3 on account of 8...Qf6 where Muller, Voigt and Watson all agree on an =+ assessment and I haven't found any improvements for White, though yes, it doesn't transpose by force.

In the 5 Bd3 line I think 8 0-0 might be better than the immediate 8 Nxd4 (incidentally Fritz likes 8 Nxd4 c5 for Black), although I suspect it probably doesn't give White any advantage either (8...Bg4 and 8...dxc3 look fine for Black to me)

Personally I agree with 3 c3 being the better move order, especially if White intends to meet ...dxc3 with Nxc3, in which case I don't think the Goring move order has any advantages over the Danish.
  
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Re: A few lines of the Goring Gambit
Reply #1 - 04/05/08 at 19:42:26
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1. I don't know about 6.Bg5, the only way to find out probably is to play it.
2. 6.Bc4 d6 does not transpose because of 7.Qb3 and White may try x.Qxc3. At the other hand 7.Ng5 Be6 8.Nxe6 fxe6 9.Bxe6 Qf6 looks pretty equal to me.
3. White may try 6.Bc4 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 d6 8.Ng5 (8.Qb3 is less attractive now) indeed: 8...Nh6 (8...Ne5 and both 9.Bb5+ and 9.Bb3 are interesting) 9.0-0 0-0 10.f4 Na5 11.Bd3 Bg4 12.Qc2 idea Ba3 and Rae1 with decent compensation.
4. 4...d5 5.Bd3 already has been investigated in D**k (a normal Dutch name) Smit's Het Göring Gambiet, 1973 and 1982. He recommended 5...dxe4 6.Bxe4 Nf6 7.Bxc6 bxc6 8.Nxd4 Bd7 =+ because of the pair of bishops.
5. Imo 3.c3 is more precise than 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.c3 because of 3.c3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 Nc6 6.Be3!?. The well known 6.Nf3 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Bg4 is very dull.
  

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A few lines of the Goring Gambit
04/01/08 at 00:00:07
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The Goring Gambit's just been touched upon in another thread so I thought I'd raise a few of my own questions on it.

Firstly, in the main line 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 c3 dxc3 5 Nxc3 Bb4, not many sources mention 6 Bg5 (Danish Dynamite is one of the few that does).  It seems that after the usual recommendation 6...Nge7, White may be able to get enough compensation with 7 Qb3 with ideas of Bc4 or Bb5 depending on how Black reacts, rather than Qc2 and 0-0-0 as in a Gufeld-Stein game that led to an =+ for Black.

Also, after the traditional 6 Bc4 Bxc3+ (6...d6 followed by 7...Bxc3+ transposes) 7 bxc3 d6, there's a good article at Hard Chess (I think) showing that White definitely doesn't get enough compensation after 8 0-0 Nf6, and probably doesn't after 8 Qb3 Qd7.  But there is another sideline in 8 Ng5 which Muller and Voigt give a ?! but which might be White's best try for compensation, e.g. 8...Nh6 9 0-0 0-0 10 f4 Na5 11 Bd3 and Fritz thinks White has enough compensation.

My other question lies in the 4...d5 declined variation with the response 5 Bd3.  I don't see the move 5 Bd3 mentioned in many sources, but BCO2 gives 5...dxe4 6 Bxe4 Nf6 7 Bxc6+ bxc6 =, and if that's Black's best response, it could be a good way of avoiding the Capablanca endgames.  Fritz's openings book gives 5...dxc3 which must be more critical, it then continues 6 exd5 Qxd5 when simply 7 Nxc3 looks good to me, but on the other hand, I'm not sure that White has enough compensation after 6...cxb2 7 Bxb2 Qxd5.

Does anyone have any views on this obscure 5 Bd3, or either of the previous two lines?
  
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