Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
You cannot claim the history, the language or the name of another nation (that brought the lights to the Western Civilation) as yours. We are proud about the Alexander the Great the Macedonian who conquered and civilized the ancient world who of course was not a Slav but a Greek!
Shame on many Western-Europeans then, as we claim Greek history at our schools as well. I am not aware of any inhabitant of FYROM etc. claiming they are speaking Greek. As far as I know this is the official language of Hellas (in Dutch called Griekenland btw, shame on us again) and was the language of that area some 2500 years ago, though completely different from Modern Greek. Neither am I aware of anyone anywhere in the world claiming Alexander the Great not being Greek. It is interesting though that his contemporary fellow-Greeks in Athens and other cities did recognize him as a Greek.
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
But now everyone when hears the word "Macedonian" don't think of ancient Greeks but a Slav nation!
Well, the civilians of Athens etc. did not think of Greeks either when hearing the word "Macedonian"! They thought of "barbarians".
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
Can 1,5 million people (that are Slavs) decide to call themselves Macedonians, that speak Macedonian and come directly from the Ancient Macedonians (which is the most ridiculus claim of course!) and 7 million people who really are Macedonians do nothing? What about them?
Yes, yes, no (their ancestors arrived in the Middle Ages), no (why?), call themselves Greek-Macedonians (or South Macedonians) and the others Slav-Macedonians (or Northern Macedonians).
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
And what about the claims that they want the "whole" Macedonia to get free (meaning to unite the Greek Macedonia and some small regions in Bulgaria and Albania.)
One of the demands of becoming member of the EU is solving problems like this peacefully. In the same way The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany deal with their disputes and claims. Greece/Hellas is a member of both the EU and the NATO. If FYROM/Macedonia ever gets the ridiculous idea to conquer Greek/South Macedonia and the other regions by force it will suffer like Serbia not too long ago. At the other hand I don't think North/Slav-Macedonian idiots dreaming of a Greater Slav Macedonia will give up their foolish ideas if the rest of the world starts calling this country Vardarska, a name that gives my tongue severe problems.
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
Maybe you have not a problem, but i have a problem when my neighbors raise their chlids and make them believe that they are a nation who's most part is slave to Greece or Bulgaria or i don't know who else...
Have you done statistical analysis in FYROM/Slav Macedonia to support such a ridiculous statement?
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
If someone want to be a part of the EU or the NATO or the UN or any other international organization ,has to respect the other participants.
Sure, so no changes of borders. Accepting this idea is mandatory for Macedonia and there is nobody in the EU or NATO (probably not even in Turkey, that other old enemy) who is willing to give this up
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
We respect our neighbors and (although that is wrong, because their historical name is "Vardarska" or something like that...) we let them have in their name the word "Macedonia", but in a way that all the other people can seperate them from the ancient Greek nation of the Macedonia. What is wrong with that?
Nothing. That's why I did proposals like Slav-Macedonia and North Macedonia.
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/08 at 12:53:06:
And don't tell me that The Netherlands have such deep historical backgrounds!
It has. It is just that civilization started a few ages later, about 2000 years ago when the Romans occupied the southern part of the country. But Dutchies usually do not make a fuzz about it, though there are some Dutch idiots as well (and this time I am not thinking of Wilders). Heck, we don't even make problems about the fact that English speaking people could not seperate The Netherlands (their inhabitants are officially called Nederlanders) from Germany! The people from that country call themselves Deutsche, from which the word Dutch is derived. And WW-2 is far more recent than the time some Slav tribes conquered North-Macedonia, so the Dutch have better reasons to feel hurt being called Dutch and not Netherlandish than the Greek by some Slav people calling themselves Macedonians.
Before anybody starts complaing about hijacking: