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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #8 - 04/05/08 at 00:34:35
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I just looked briefly to what Moskalenko is doing. And it does spoil a little the fun in this line. The early dc4 lines he plays are interesting, it is not clear to me how to evaluate the resulting positions.
  
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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #7 - 04/04/08 at 21:36:00
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If you want to play the stonewall, it is another matter. Because I think the stonewall is premature, if white has not played d4.


This isn't entirely clear. Kramnik's conclusion after 6...Bd6 as well as 6...c6 is only += and it's quite possible that Black can even improve on this. Moskalenko examines some very innovative ...Ng4 lines in ChessBase Magazine 121. Not easy to play for Black but very interesting.
  

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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #6 - 04/04/08 at 20:24:21
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The DeVault and Hickman's book is a nice addition, to other dutch books, since it covers the flank openings in much more detail. And especially the gambits, although the assessment of the gambits has changed a bit over the last couple of years. There is also a nice artical over the 1 Nf3 in the SOS openings series, with the Carlson game in it.

I play the Leningrad, so I do not have problems against 1 c4. Worst case I get a Leningrad. So no problem there.

Against Nf3, I score less against 1 Nf3 f5 and then either e4 or d3. Although nothing is wrong with black, I decided to avoid it. Now I play 1 Nf3 d6 and 2 ... f5. Which avoids all tricky lines. And if 1 Nf3 d6 2 e4 c5. So then I play a Najdorf. However no-one is playing 2 e4.

If you want to play the stonewall, it is another matter. Because I think the stonewall is premature, if white has not played d4. Good details for white can be found in Opening for White according to Kramnik, or The Dynamic English.
  
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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #5 - 04/04/08 at 19:37:24
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Yes, Kindermann has a lot of respect for 1.Nf3 f5 2.d3 and recommends Black to avoid it. But he offers very little analysis of 2...Nc6 3.d4!?
  

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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #4 - 04/04/08 at 17:41:37
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tafl wrote on 04/04/08 at 09:59:34:
There is (or was) DeVault and Hickman's 'Play the Dutch Defense against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3' published by Chess Digest, 1993. 

I have flicked through it a couple of times but never bought it. It seemed a decent piece of workmanship (in contrast to a few other Chess Digest products) but I assume it now is outdated.

I think the book that really discussed the problems of 1.Nf3 f5 2.d3 is to my knowledge the English edition of Kindermann's Leningrad book. Not sure that there's too much of a problem with 1.c4 f5, except that one probably cannot get a Stonewall with Bd6.
  
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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #3 - 04/04/08 at 11:27:56
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Thanks, tafl. As to outdatedness : I prefer a thorough old book, that can easily be updated and checked by a database-scan, than some new database-dump.
  
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Re: Dutch against flank openings
Reply #2 - 04/04/08 at 10:06:15
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I found this link with some scanned pages from the ToC and introductions:
http://www.labatechess.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=229&osCsid=3aa40ae...
  

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Re: Dutch against flank openings
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There is (or was) DeVault and Hickman's 'Play the Dutch Defense against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3' published by Chess Digest, 1993. 

I have flicked through it a couple of times but never bought it. It seemed a decent piece of workmanship (in contrast to a few other Chess Digest products) but I assume it now is outdated.
  

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Dutch against flank openings
04/04/08 at 09:38:44
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If I remember well there was a book on this, which concluded that 1...f5 does not work too well against 1. Nf3 and 1.c4 but unfortunately I can't remember the exact lines, and, even worse, they don't seem to pop up when you browse a database... (No, it was not the Lisitsin, improved or not...)
Anybody know of this book, or even where to find the tabel of contents ?
  
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