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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #13 - 01/05/09 at 20:20:17
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dom wrote on 04/21/08 at 22:05:18:
About 8...Kf8 line, better is maybe 13.Bf1 b5 14.Ne2 a5 15.a3 Bd7 16.Nf4 and now 16....Ne7 is analysis of Schipkov on chessbib.com and game reference is Golubev-Hess,Chemnitz 1998 and 16...b4! 17.Rf3 bxc3 18.Kd1! is analysed by Leko in one NiC book, reaching game Lutz-Korchnoi,Julian Borowski 2002 (Chesspublishing) after 18...h5?, but 18...Qb6! 19.Ng6+ Kg8 20.Nxh8 h5 is equal


In the “MacCutcheon” thread http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1103243162 , HgMan mentions that Psakhis gives: 16... Ne7!? 17.Nh5 Nf5 18.Qf4 b4!. Black’s 18th move seems to be an improvement on 18…Rg8 of Golubev-Hess.

I played 16…b4 in a 4NCL game a couple of years ago:

A.Wilson (2101) v P.Cumbers (2123), 4NCL 2006
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.Bd3 Nxd2 10.Kxd2 c5 11.h4 Nc6 12.Rh3 c4 13.Bf1 b5 14.a3 a5 15.Ne2 Bd7 16.Nf4 b4 17.Rf3 bxc3+ 18.Kd1 Qb6 19.Ng6+ Kg8 20.Nxh8 h5 21.Qxh5 Qxd4+ 22.Bd3 cxd3 23.Qxf7+ Kxh8 24.Qh5+ Kg8 25.Qf7+ Kh8 draw

As you can see, I knew about 18...Qb6! 19.Ng6+ Kg8 20.Nxh8 h5 (which I’d seen in Schipkov’s analysis here: http://www.chessib.com/lutkor2.html ), but unfortunately White can force a draw (as indeed happened). I recently had a look at some alternatives for Black on move 20, and you can see my analysis on Neil McDonald’s January ChessPublishing update! My latest thoughts are that 20…Kxh8 21.Rxf7 Rg8 22.Rxd7 Nxe5! 23.dxe5 Qxf2 24.Qe2 Qd4+ 25.Ke1 Rf8 and 20…Rf8 21.Rxf7 Rxf7 22.Nxf7 Kxf7 23.Qf3+ Kg8 24.Qxc3 Nxd4 probably just delay the draw for a few more moves. However, I think 20…Nxd4! is good for Black, and possibly better than 16…Ne7  Shocked. After 21.Rxf7 Nf5 22.Rxd7 Qxf2 23.Qe2 Qd4+ 24.Ke1, let’s try 24…Kxh8 25.Rf7 (25.g4 Rf8!) 25…Qxh4+ 26.Qf2 Qe4+ 27.Qe2 Qf4! (intending  28…Qg3+ 29.Qf2 Qxe5+). I reckon Black has more than enough compensation…

P.S. Klick gave another useful link in the “MacCutcheon” thread: http://www.chessgate.de/training/games/02training_eroeffnung_12.htm

P.P.S. Against 18.Kxc3, Schipkov’s 18…Qb6! is an interesting alternative to Psakhis’ 18…a4 19.Nxe6+! Bxe6 20.Qxe6 Qa5+ 21.Kb2 Rb8+ 22.Ka2 Qc7! “with chances for both sides” (cited by HgMan in the other thread).
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #12 - 11/14/08 at 14:15:51
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dom wrote on 10/11/08 at 17:05:42:
13.exf6 Qxf6 14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6! is hard to assess because full of tactical tricks but I like  to deal with the most dangerous theats for White....
Alternative is to wait White castle:  14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6 Kg8 16.oo Ne2+ 17.Kh1 Nf4 18.Bxf4 Qxf4 when a draw occured in ending of game Filipenko-Volkov,Moscow 1999

Instead of 16....Ne2 serious attention should be paid on 16...Be6 as it was played in the games Arnold - Kritz, Paks, 2000, Fressinet - Vallejo, Mondariz, 2000 and Degraeve - Michiels, Gent, 2005. I think there Black keeps the balance.
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #11 - 10/11/08 at 22:01:44
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Ok, next time I have the chance to face the Mc Cutcheon at corr. I will probably retry 6.Be3 and if I reach again the same position, I will try 13.exf6 where it's true that the position is good-looking for White, but still not advantageous to me, so I want to explore that.
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #10 - 10/11/08 at 18:36:49
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dom wrote on 10/11/08 at 17:05:42:
13.Qh5!? Qe8!? (adviced by Golopashov in NiC survey 72) 14.Qh3 Qg6 15.oo Qg4 16.Qxg4 fxg4 17.Nd4 Nxe5 seems to be equal

and

13.exf6 Qxf6 14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6! is hard to assess because full of tactical tricks but I like  to deal with the most dangerous theats for White: open the f file...thus 15...e4 16.Nh4 Be6 (important to protect d5) 17.oo Kg8 and now opening the f file is not so easy. 18.f3 Ne2+ 19.Kh1 Rf8 20.Rae1 Nf4 21.Bxf4 Qxf4 22.c4 Ne5=

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Alternative is to wait White castle:  14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6 Kg8 16.oo Ne2+ 17.Kh1 Nf4 18.Bxf4 Qxf4 when a draw occured in ending of game Filipenko-Volkov,Moscow 1999


Now we have some well-considered ideas from someone who has clearly done some research. Thank you.

Well, first I think that White was better in Filipenko-Volkov.

Second, 13.exf6 Qxf6 14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6! e4 16.Nh4 Be6 17.oo Kg8 18.f3 Ne2+ 19.Kh1 Rf8 ( so far Dom's analysis) and now instead of 20.Rae1, my intention (with the help of an ancient version of Fritz) was 20.g3 (to prevent ...Nf4 and threaten 21.fxe4).

Agreed, this whole line is very messy and both sides have trumps, but White's two bishops, safer king and b-file, coupled with the incarcerated rook at h8, still lead me to prefer White.

  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #9 - 10/11/08 at 17:05:42
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13.Qh5!? Qe8!? (adviced by Golopashov in NiC survey 72) 14.Qh3 Qg6 15.oo Qg4 16.Qxg4 fxg4 17.Nd4 Nxe5 seems to be equal

and

13.exf6 Qxf6 14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6! is hard to assess because full of tactical tricks but I like  to deal with the most dangerous theats for White: open the f file...thus 15...e4 16.Nh4 Be6 (important to protect d5) 17.oo Kg8 and now opening the f file is not so easy. 18.f3 Ne2+ 19.Kh1 Rf8 20.Rae1 Nf4 21.Bxf4 Qxf4 22.c4 Ne5=

******

Alternative is to wait White castle:  14.Qh5 e5 15.Bg6 Kg8 16.oo Ne2+ 17.Kh1 Nf4 18.Bxf4 Qxf4 when a draw occured in ending of game Filipenko-Volkov,Moscow 1999
  

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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #8 - 10/09/08 at 14:49:35
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ArKheiN wrote on 10/09/08 at 11:46:06:
Well, after my try with 6.Be3, I reached that important position:

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. dxc5 Nc6 12. Nf3 f5  where the most played move is the logical 13.exf6, opening lines for the bishop pair, but corr. games in chesslive, and my little exploration in this territory make me think that White has 0 advantage. So I wanted to give a try with the good scorer 13.Qh5!? where Black is just losing in somes lines (after 13..d4), even my opponent played 13..d4?!  in a previous game against someone else, but luckily he won because his opponent forfaited before getting winning. So I tought my opponent would try that move again, and was "excited" to see if he had find an improvment to survive with 13..d4 or no, but then he played 13..Qe8, where I think it's logical to continue with 14.Qh3 and after 14..Kg8, the position become quite strange, but I don't find any advantage for White, it's even more dangerous for White than for Black here...

So my final conclusion is: I think White has 0 advantage with 6.Be3 because of the line with 1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. dxc5 Nc6 12. Nf3 f5 until someone can prove that White is still better.


I haven't really kept up with Mac theory, feeling somewhat "Mac'ed out" after playing it a lot in corres a few years ago. But maybe this game is still relevant:

[Event "BCCA Selected ops"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.09.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Adams, Phil"]
[Black "Tait, JA."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C12"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2001.??.??"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. dxc5 Nc6 12. Nf3 f5 13. exf6 Qxf6 14. Qh5 e5 15. Bg6 Be6 16. O-O Bf7 17. Nh4 Re8 18. f4 e4 19. Bd2 Na4 20. Rab1 Rb8 21. f5 Nxc5 22. Bxf7 Qxf7 23. Ng6+ Kg8 24. f6 gxf6 25. Qg4 h5 26. Qg3 h4 27. Nxh4+ Qg7 28. Ng6 Rd8 29. Nxh8 Qxg3 30. hxg3 Kxh8 31. Rxf6 d4 32. Bf4 1-0

The games from this quite strong Mac thematic provided material for Jacob's 2001 book "French Classical", which unfortunately uses the "complete annotated games" format (so is hard to use as a reference) but has the virtue of containing many games and analyses missing from other French defence books - and it can often be picked up quite cheaply now.

  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #7 - 10/09/08 at 11:46:06
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Well, after my try with 6.Be3, I reached that important position:

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. dxc5 Nc6 12. Nf3 f5  where the most played move is the logical 13.exf6, opening lines for the bishop pair, but corr. games in chesslive, and my little exploration in this territory make me think that White has 0 advantage. So I wanted to give a try with the good scorer 13.Qh5!? where Black is just losing in somes lines (after 13..d4), even my opponent played 13..d4?!  in a previous game against someone else, but luckily he won because his opponent forfaited before getting winning. So I tought my opponent would try that move again, and was "excited" to see if he had find an improvment to survive with 13..d4 or no, but then he played 13..Qe8, where I think it's logical to continue with 14.Qh3 and after 14..Kg8, the position become quite strange, but I don't find any advantage for White, it's even more dangerous for White than for Black here...

So my final conclusion is: I think White has 0 advantage with 6.Be3 because of the line with 1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5. e5 h6 6. Be3 Ne4 7. Qg4 Kf8 8. a3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. dxc5 Nc6 12. Nf3 f5 until someone can prove that White is still better.
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #6 - 07/15/08 at 21:20:28
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Well I decided to give a try with 6.Be3 in my 2 corrs games at the moment, I still don't know if it's more promising that 6.Bd2 but the lines I have already analysed may fit better with my personnal taste. So we will see Smiley
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #5 - 07/15/08 at 11:08:31
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MNb wrote on 07/14/08 at 22:49:26:
Because I have read two articles on the MacCutcheon (alas for you, they are in Dutch and not online) in which Black was OK in the 9.Bd3 main line. Imo the Be3 gambit is most dangerous, but I am not sure if 6.Bd2/9.Be3 or 6.Be3 at one is the optimal version.
I never had much faith in the Bc1 gambits. They should be studied in relation with the Be3 versions, then you will note the differences.


Moskalenko wrote a letter to NIC in NIC YB 87 (because in NIC YB 86 was an Article about the Be3-line that resumed it was very dangerous) where he said that he analyzes that line in his new book and that simply in this line black does not have any problems.
For the Bc1-lines, I do agree with you.
I guess we simply have to wait for some users that confirm or do not confirm Moskalenkos variations.
  

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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #4 - 07/14/08 at 22:49:26
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ArKheiN wrote on 07/14/08 at 19:40:38:
Hey MNb, why do you believe that the gambits does at the moment better results than the main line? In fact I am beginning to study the MacCutcheon because Iam facing it on corr. but it's hard to see where are the criticals lines. I really wonder which line does give the most difficult game to Black at correspondance.


Because I have read two articles on the MacCutcheon (alas for you, they are in Dutch and not online) in which Black was OK in the 9.Bd3 main line. Imo the Be3 gambit is most dangerous, but I am not sure if 6.Bd2/9.Be3 or 6.Be3 at one is the optimal version.
I never had much faith in the Bc1 gambits. They should be studied in relation with the Be3 versions, then you will note the differences.
  

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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #3 - 07/14/08 at 19:40:38
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Hey MNb, why do you believe that the gambits does at the moment better results than the main line? In fact I am beginning to study the MacCutcheon because Iam facing it on corr. but it's hard to see where are the criticals lines. I really wonder which line does give the most difficult game to Black at correspondance.

@dom: about your game against Juglard, It seems that White has nothing better than a draw if you take his bishop, with Qxe6+ - Qc8 - Qe6+... Or maybe Juglard think he ca play for a win against Qxg6+ instead of Qxe6?
  
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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #2 - 04/21/08 at 22:05:18
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Hello nicholaswin and welcome to French forum...

About 8...Kf8 line, better is maybe 13.Bf1 b5 14.Ne2 a5 15.a3 Bd7 16.Nf4 and now 16....Ne7 is analysis of Schipkov on chessbib.com and game reference is Golubev-Hess,Chemnitz 1998 and 16...b4! 17.Rf3 bxc3 18.Kd1! is analysed by Leko in one NiC book, reaching game Lutz-Korchnoi,Julian Borowski 2002 (Chesspublishing) after 18...h5?, but 18...Qb6! 19.Ng6+ Kg8 20.Nxh8 h5 is equal

I played one game as Black with position after 11...Bd7!? in Juglard-Laurain,FIDE CEIT 1999. At that time, I had just read before the game one paper from Glek about this variation BUT Juglard knew better than me the line and was acquainted with the variation because he played: 12.Rhb1 Bc6 (same position as yours exchanging h4 with Rhb1) and now 13.Bxg6  a bishop sacrifice Juglard played before versus Mershad Sharif, with (according to Eric Juglard) gives enough tactical tricks for White for the bishop sacrifice.

In fact best is not allow the sacrifice after 11.Nf3 and play one of the lines 11...c4 12.Be2 and now 12...Bd7 or 11...Qa5!? or 11...Qe7 as in the game Almasi-Stellwagen,Corus Wijk aan Zee 2006 (idea is Rb8-b5-Qa3)
  

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Re: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
Reply #1 - 04/20/08 at 22:04:04
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The related gambits 9.Be3 (iso 9.Bd3) and 6.Be3 Ne4 7.Qg4 g6 (Kf8!?) 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 are thought to give White better prospects than 6.Bd2 and 9.Bd3 these days.
  

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C12: Classical McCutcheon 6.Bd2
04/19/08 at 21:42:51
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I'm trying to find a line which gives the advantage against the McCutcheon. Can u help me?

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5 Bb4 5 e5 h6 6 Bd2 Bxc3 7 bxc3 Ne4 8 Qg4 g6 ( 8...Kf8 is interesting, it seems the White attack on the kingside is just not strong enough, 9 Bd3 Nxd2 10 Kxd2 c5 11 h4 Nc6 12 Rh3 c4 13 Be2 b5 14 Qf4 with only 50% score on chessbase9)  9 Bd3 Nxd2 10 Kxd2 c5 11 Nf3 Bd7 12 h4 Bc6!?

Is 13 Bxg6 good here?

13...fxg6 14 Qxe6+ Qe7 and here I only see 15 Qc8+ which gives a draw. Nakamura 2261 - Senff 2349 1/2 2000

So I played 13 Nh2 and after 13...Qa5 I think the position is equal. Nothing more for White...  Cry
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