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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #13 - 01/15/09 at 10:08:44
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Not entirely - White can head for a Réti setup with 1.c4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3 and 4.g3.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #12 - 01/15/09 at 09:58:57
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The Caro and the slav is perfect as we have the same pawnstructure. And another point is that you can answer 1.c4 with 1....c6. It reduces the amount of theory you have to study. You simply get an answer against 1.c4 "for free".
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #11 - 01/13/09 at 01:35:23
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I play the caro-kann almost exclusively as black against e4, but against d4 and c4 I usually look to play the KID.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #10 - 12/31/08 at 16:24:07
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Play the open Slav.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #9 - 06/03/08 at 14:46:51
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Reply #8 - 06/03/08 at 08:50:27
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What is the name of the book, and when did Soltis write it?
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #7 - 06/01/08 at 22:30:39
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John Nunn says in one of his books that the caro-Kann and the Slav goes hand in hand. 

Soltis has written a repertoirebook :

A defensive black system for the rest of your career.

Its a repertoire with  the moves c6-d5 against everything.

Its not the most well written book in the world but you can pick from it and add to it as you wish and build your qwn c6-d5 repertoire.

Nimzo is what Karpov plays as mentioned earlier. But if you chose your openings based on the pawnstructure then the Slav is a more logical choice for the caroplayer.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #6 - 05/31/08 at 15:48:28
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mihain,

the Slav goes well with the C-k.

For example: 1.c4 c6 2.e4! ( as suggested by by Tony Kosten) but that's no problem if you can reply 2...d5!

C-K + Slav = 1. ...c6 against everything Cool
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #5 - 05/31/08 at 11:15:38
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I don't play the Caro-Kann on a regular basis, but perhaps the Queen's Gambit Accepted is a good choice for Caro-Kanners? It is very solid (as in the Caro), although I admit that some variations can be rather tedious. 

Rublevsky is one of leading exponents of the QGA, whereas Anand played it on a regular basis in the 1990's. If you are interested in the QGA from either colour, buy the 3rd edition of the Sakaev/Semkov book on the Queen's Gambit Accepted.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #4 - 05/30/08 at 18:48:13
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When I played the Caro, I had prepared the Nimzo and Semi-Tarrasch against 1.d4.  With the latter, I found that I got many similar pawn structures to the Caro-Kann, though I'm sure this is possible through a variety of QGD.  It's also possible to transpose between the Panov-Botvinnik and the ST.  Another advantage of the Semi-Tarrasch was that it was very easy to play, though you might be hard-pressed to find winning chances against decent opposition...
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #3 - 05/29/08 at 18:47:23
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It depends on what kind of game you are looking for. The Slavic defences seem very popular with some of the leading caro-kann players. Many play the Semi-Slav more than the open Slav.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #2 - 05/29/08 at 18:24:53
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nyoke wrote on 05/29/08 at 17:43:31:
I'm sorry to see that none of the 'gods' have deemed your question worthy of reply. 


Well, I'm not one of them, but it's kind of a hard question because there are so many possible answers.

Certainly playing the Slav is a good choice, if you like the Slav.  Then you can just play 1...c6 against everything. 

The Nimzo-Indian is a good choice as well--if you play a line with ...e6 against the Panov-Botvinnik, the Nimzo has a lot of ideas positions in common.  But, you'l have to figure out what to do against the Englsh opening, since (for example) after 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4, or 3.Nf3 for that matter, you can't get the Nimzo-Indian.   

If you play a ...g6 line against the Panov, the Gruenfeld might be comfortable for you.

The Queen's Gambit Declined is solid like the Caro-Kann, and gives you natural a choice against the English as well (1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5).  You'll need to be happy playing against the Catalan, of course.

In his youth, I think Kasparov played the Caro-Kann and the Tarrasch QGD, which seemed an odd combination but worked for him.  The Tarrasch also gives you a setup against all the flank openings.

I'm sure someone out there playes the King's Indian or the Benoni or the Dutch alongside the Caro, though they seem even more incongruous than the Tarrasch and Caro.

Maybe the best idea is to find the players who play the Caro-Kann lines you play, and look at their games against d4 and c4.  See if any of them play defences that seem congenial to you.
  
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Re: What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
Reply #1 - 05/29/08 at 17:43:31
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I'm sorry to see that none of the 'gods' have deemed your question worthy of reply. 
It's a good question in the sense that it is important for your reportoire to be consistent i.e. not ot be move-ordered out of it.
On the other hand, the 'transpo tricks' that will take you from the closed into the open games or the other way around are not that awesome, on the contrary. Especially if you play the Caro-Kan, because that means you will already be acquainted with the most infamous of those : the Panik-Botwinnow Attack. 
The natural companion would seem to be the Slav, because of the  similar pawn structure. And the trick won't work : 1. d4, d5 2. e4, ... c6.
But the question arises whether you should let the BDG (or the other d-viations) determine your choice of weapon in the closed games.
'Black according to Karpov' advocates a Nimzo and such in combination with the Caro  for instance
  
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What carokanners play against 1.d4 and 1.c4
05/23/08 at 13:49:35
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I am trying to rebuild my repertoire after a 6 y pause from chess. I have managed to put it all toghether and against white e4 i am going c6 and add a sicilian later. Now I am trying to decide what to for black against d4 and my main options seem to be Slav and NID/QID. 

What do you carokanners play and why?

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