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Reply #10 - 06/15/08 at 11:19:32
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Ptero wrote on 06/14/08 at 22:05:54:
Your point concerning 11.Bg5 is valid and is not addressed in the DVD. As I said in my earlier post - I think 11.Bg5 is the way for white to go.

This convinces me that Martin not always looks for the virtual opponent's best reply when recommending an opening. The first time I noticed this was 20 years ago in a booklet on the Morra Gambit.
Lee Roth's remark rises the question if the normal 10...0-0 11.0-0 Nh5 is not more precise after all. When I feel like I will sift this matter out; at the moment I feel that a lot depends on the strength of 16...f5.
  

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Reply #9 - 06/14/08 at 22:09:26
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David Flude had proposed this idea in an earlier thread.  I remain skeptical.  For example:

11.Bg5 Bf6 12.Bh6 Ne5 13.Be2 Nxf3 14.Bxf3 Bg5 15.Bxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxh5 gxh5 17.Qf3 Rg8 18.0-0 Bd7 and now 19.Rfb1! with the idea of b4.
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #8 - 06/14/08 at 22:05:54
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MNb wrote on 06/14/08 at 21:41:39:
Ptero wrote on 06/14/08 at 19:57:36:
Martin recommends the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.e4 g6 7.Bd3 Bg7 8.h3 a6 9. a4 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Nh5!? (an interesting and playable line that scores about 80% (!) for black in my database, though I feel white should be +/= after 11.Bg5) against the MML.

The important question is: can Black benefit from postponing castling? Say 11.Bg5 Bf6 12.Be3 Ne5 13.Be2 Nxf3+ 14.Bxf3 Ng7 15.0-0 and now what? If Black just castles too play will transpose to another line which certainly does not score 80% for him. But can Black play 15...f5 at once? Any thought, as I haven't looked in detail at this?


The idea behind postponing castling is that Black can employ his rook on the g-file after 13.Be2 Nxf3+ 14.Bxf3 Qh4 15.Bxh5 gxh5, for example 16.Qd3 Rg8! with good counterplay (Dziuba-Wojtaszek 2005).
Your point concerning 11.Bg5 is valid and is not addressed in the DVD. As I said in my earlier post - I think 11.Bg5 is the way for white to go.  
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #7 - 06/14/08 at 21:41:39
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Ptero wrote on 06/14/08 at 19:57:36:
Martin recommends the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.e4 g6 7.Bd3 Bg7 8.h3 a6 9. a4 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Nh5!? (an interesting and playable line that scores about 80% (!) for black in my database, though I feel white should be +/= after 11.Bg5) against the MML.

The important question is: can Black benefit from postponing castling? Say 11.Bg5 Bf6 12.Be3 Ne5 13.Be2 Nxf3+ 14.Bxf3 Ng7 15.0-0 and now what? If Black just castles too play will transpose to another line which certainly does not score 80% for him. But can Black play 15...f5 at once? Any thought, as I haven't looked in detail at this?
  

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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #6 - 06/14/08 at 19:57:36
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Well, I got this DVD, as I thought I might find some inspiration in it, and also because I like Martin’s style of presenting material. I can say that Bonsai’s description matches this DVD exactly. Martin recommends the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.e4 g6 7.Bd3 Bg7 8.h3 a6 9. a4 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Nh5!? (an interesting and playable line that scores about 80% (!) for black in my database, though I feel white should be +/= after 11.Bg5) against the MML, and the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.e4 g6 7.f4 Bg7 8.Bb5+ Nfd7 9.a4 Qh4 10.g3 Qd8 against the Taimanov. There is not all that much to support these recommendations, about one game devoted for each, without going into too much detail. All and all this is a reasonable product, but do acknowledge that the coverage is very patchy.  
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #5 - 06/13/08 at 21:36:50
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fblo wrote on 06/13/08 at 21:02:27:
It is amazing that you all feel free to comment on a product none of you appear to have seen. I call that stupid.

I didn't see anyone commenting on the product, only myself speculating about it based on what I've seen from other Martin chessbase DVDs.
We have plenty of evidence (that I have seen myself) to go on to judge what the product is most likely like.

Oh, some more speculation: looking at my database, I did find 4 games by Martin in the Modern Benoni (1982, 1983, 1987, 1987, 1994 and 1998), well, at least he has even played it himself (and presumably more often in some weekend tournaments that didn't make it into the databases).
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #4 - 06/13/08 at 21:02:27
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It is amazing that you all feel free to comment on a product none of you appear to have seen. I call that stupid.
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #3 - 06/13/08 at 16:43:51
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i was afraid of that; i just wonder if he has anything good on the modern main line and the flick knife, this is what the benoni have problems.  thank you for your comments, yea Bob Long thinks everything is great, maybe he is paid by chess base?  however he was right about most benoni books, they are not very inspiring.
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #2 - 06/13/08 at 07:19:12
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Well, I suspect it's a nice little introductory video. Martin is generally a good presenter, sells the opening he shows quite well and occasionally even has some theoretical insights (some of the move orders/transpositions discussed in the Czech Benoni DVD really are theoretically very challenging for white). However on a whole he usually will not present in a particularly theoretical way and not necessarily address all move orders and all important variations. He usually also does not always assess positions entirely objectively (or at all), but rahter concentrates on motivating people to be willing to play the advocated side of the position. Nevertheless for the right audience what he does is quite suitable and even though he is currently producing *a lot* of DVDs in a row, I can see that an introductory product that explains the basics of an opening and introduces people to most variations doesn't really need so much research.
  
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Re: ABC of the Benoni DVD
Reply #1 - 06/13/08 at 03:38:57
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I wouldn't trust anything Bob Long wrote in a review. He raves about absolutely everything he reviews. I quit taking them seriously long ago when I realized he never says anything bad about anything.  I'm convinced he just wants to push as much stuff through his store as possible.
  
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ABC of the Benoni DVD
06/13/08 at 01:57:43
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IM Andrew has a new chess base dvd, ABC's of the Modern Benoni.  according to the review by Bob Long it is very good.  has anyone else seen this DVD.  My only concern is about the coverage of two lines that has always given the Benoni problems, the flick-knife and the new Modern Mainline.  i don't want specific lines, but i want to know if it has a real plan against these systems.

Bob Long was right about the Benoni books; black gets crushed and does not offer any solutions, not a good way to promote a book.  i like to see the Tal game and Wojtaszek. 

any comments will be appreciated.
  
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