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Reply #38 - 07/10/08 at 10:31:46
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@ All

I own the book now and it's plenty of godd ideas.

TOC:

-The Spike and Anti-Pirc Systems 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 and 4.g4 (95 pages)

- The Chaos Counter Attack (160 pages)

-The Accelerated Chaos 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 (60 pages)

-Some other stuff like The Provocation Variation (1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 Qa5) The Anti-Maroczy (1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 c5 4.Nf3 Qb6) covered but not very detailed.

That makes 365 pages with well researched variations worth a try for a somewhat expirienced player. It's not a book for beginners.
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #37 - 06/24/08 at 22:53:55
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@ linksspringer

Pumi doesn't own it but after reading this, the book is in order now Smiley
Thanks.

@ all

I found something interesting here:www.chessmix.com/en/eshop/ebooks/
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #36 - 06/24/08 at 19:12:25
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IMJohnCox wrote on 06/24/08 at 18:01:58:
In case anyone is interested and doesn't know, there's a lot of coverage of this defence in a recent book whose name I forget (actually it might be Play the Chaos Attack for all I know) which is the second in a promised series the first of which was that book by some Ukrainian (Obodchuk? Something like that) and Bogdan Lalic, on the Spike Attack (some g4 move against the Pirc), and some other system (IIRC the Austrian Attack with a3). Someone might have a better link than me.

You are thinking of Carpathian Warrior 2
http://www.newinchess.com/Carpathian_Warrior_2-p-1666.html
and I think pumi owns it  Wink
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203096563
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #35 - 06/24/08 at 18:08:54
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You are heartly invited to my home and "Play the Chaos" with my kids (6 yrs, 4 yrs, 1/2 yrs)  Wink
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #34 - 06/24/08 at 18:01:58
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In case anyone is interested and doesn't know, there's a lot of coverage of this defence in a recent book whose name I forget (actually it might be Play the Chaos Attack for all I know) which is the second in a promised series the first of which was that book by some Ukrainian (Obodchuk? Something like that) and Bogdan Lalic, on the Spike Attack (some g4 move against the Pirc), and some other system (IIRC the Austrian Attack with a3). Someone might have a better link than me.

Topnotch, I don't think this does transpose to the Clarendon Court where ...Bxc3+ isn't usually on the agenda. I think it was the CC Jonathan R's quote applied to. My own twopence would be that this is quite a nasty proposition to play against without a fair amount of preparation and that White is better off with 3 Nf3 or 3 e4, depending on exactly what system he wants to play against the KID. I can't think of a major system which can't be introduced by one or other of those moves after 1 d4 g6 2 c4 Bg7, so personally I don't see why White would ever bother letting this happen.
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #33 - 06/24/08 at 17:33:48
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pumi wrote on 06/24/08 at 02:09:33:
@ Toppy

Let them eat cake Smiley

After 6.e4 fxe4 7.f3 why do I have to play Nf6!? Is 7..Qa5 not good enough?

And also the imaginative 7.h4 is harmless 7..Nf6 and 7..Qa5 are nice to play for black


White has no special problems after 7...Qa5 8.Qc2 (for example, 8...Nf6 9.fxe4 Nxe4?! 10.Bd3), and eventually Black will come to regret this placement of his queen.

I understand that Black "dominates" e5 after 7.f3 Nf6 8.Qc2 d6 9.fxe4 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Ng5 and so forth (or similar), but in the absence of anything concrete to the contrary from fluffy, I will maintain my view that Black can look forward to trouble on the kingside.  An opinion based on vastly less talent and experience than fluffy's, I freely admit.
  

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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #32 - 06/24/08 at 02:09:33
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@ Toppy

Let them eat cake Smiley

After 6.e4 fxe4 7.f3 why do I have to play Nf6!? Is 7..Qa5 not good enough?

And also the imaginative 7.h4 is harmless 7..Nf6 and 7..Qa5 are nice to play for black
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #31 - 06/23/08 at 23:37:49
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drkodos wrote on 06/20/08 at 19:28:03:
From another site pimping the video:

"Roman Forum - Dzindzi Indian Defense"
http://www.classicalgames.com/Merchant2/graphics/products/roman.gif

"GM Dzindzichashvili explains the stategic and tactical nuances of an original Black defensive system beginning with 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 Bxc3+!? developed from the grandmaster's own tournament practice."



Ugly chess.


Looks like a tranposition to the Clarendon Court defence upon which there is also a video by Johnathan Levitt. A very good surprise weapon indeed as I mentioned in some other threads.

Toppy Smiley

Postscript: The theoretical recommendation to Markovich's 6.e4! is 6...fxe4 7.f3 Nf6!? 8.fxe4 d6!? intending Nbd7 and Ng4 with a firm grip on the critical e5 square. Instead of 7.f3 the move 7.h4!? is also considered critical.

I seem to recall Johnathan Rowson claiming somewhere to have more or less refuted this defence, and I'm pretty sure it has something to do with an e4 gambit at some point, so perhaps Markovich is on to something.  Wink 
  

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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #30 - 06/23/08 at 21:31:33
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There's a 30 minute Fritz Trainer segment on the newly released Chessbase Magazine by Andrew Martin on this very variation!

http://www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp?pid=391

Check it out!!
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #29 - 06/23/08 at 15:45:11
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NIC Yearbook 59 has an slightly euphoric article on the Chaos Attack "An A-OK line" about 6.h4. It also mentions 6.g4 and 6.e4 (but no games) as further White tries.

Just one sentence from the introduction: "We feel that Garry would rather be Black here!" - well thats advertising  Wink
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #28 - 06/23/08 at 15:34:31
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@ fluffy

Well seen! After 6.h4 Qa5 is a good choice
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #27 - 06/23/08 at 15:20:23
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pumi, thanks for the comments, but sorry I am not really interested in analyzing 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 f5. it is off topic and clearly inferior imho.

I will say that after 6.h4, 6...Nf6 is not the only move.
  
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Reply #26 - 06/23/08 at 14:29:28
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@ Pantu

I'm not completely convinced that after 6.h4 Nf6 7.h5 Rg8 may be the best. 

I like to play 7..gxh5 in this position, but I agree Rg8 is a serious alternative with high tactics, fun to play and nothing for weak nerves.
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #25 - 06/23/08 at 13:16:10
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@kylemeister

I take my ideas from this forum Smiley, ECO, different databases as chess base, chess assistant and......,but you will not find a lot of material about the "chaos" we are talking about.
So you face a huge field for proper thoughts and that's exactly what I like.

Second:What is written today can be refuted tomorrow. Look for example the april update in this forum, where i find a strong idea OTB in the owen defense with 8.Nb5 and 9.Qg4. Before this, black had an equal position and even some IM's gave the variation some exclamation marks.
So, what is equal ? What is slightly better ??

Third: Don't we all make the same mistake in just looking for variations with a clear advantage for the colour we like to play and where an equal position after x moves is allready critical Smiley ?

I have a deep respect for fluffy, not because he is on my side in this topic Smiley, but for his original analysis in his latest works. 
In his books, we see also unclear, slightly better or critical conclusions.
So when he writes: come on it's a clear += , I like to know why and where I missed something.
  
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Re: Play the Chaos attack !!
Reply #24 - 06/23/08 at 07:07:55
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pumi wrote on 06/23/08 at 02:15:50:
I agree with you entering a KID after 3.e4 or 3.Nf3 is a serious option, but then we are in the wrong forum here Smiley

@fluffy

After 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 you can play the nice provocation 4..Qa5+ Smiley   

And after 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 f5 5.exf5 Bxf5 is not so easy to meet as you think. How do you like to continue? 6.Nf3 6.Bd3 6.Nge2 ......or do you have something special in mind what I missed ??


Regarding 4...f5, a natural question might be:  where do you take issue with ECO, which thinks White has about five ways to reach a slight advantage?   
  
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