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Reply #125 - 07/24/08 at 15:16:10
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Do you live in a tent near Area 51? Bit too conspiratorial.

Is it chess? Is it the internet? Is it a combination of the two? Often seems like the lunatics have taken over the asylum hereabouts.

Its a line he was looking at here. He played it.

And no,  it  wasnt him Behind The Grassy Knoll.
  
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Reply #124 - 07/24/08 at 15:01:30
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Don't trust anybody!!!
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Usually opening books authors do not reveal all secrets, a specially when they're still competing
  
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Reply #123 - 07/24/08 at 14:52:58
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Oh, calm down. Roll Eyes
It's chess. It's a move. He played it.

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Reply #122 - 07/24/08 at 14:36:17
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Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½
  
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Reply #121 - 07/24/08 at 12:28:12
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And now I quote what I have said here previously!

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Anonymous, I know Agaard's secret. Marin and him knew that the Ponziani was the refutation of 1..e5, but they tried to hide that. Why would someone buy a refuted opening repertoire? And as an active player, Marin will uses the Ponziani himself as a devastating effect when everyone will think that Black already equalized.


I was near the truth Smiley It would be interesting to know the result Smiley
  
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Reply #120 - 07/24/08 at 12:19:30
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wolfsblut wrote on 07/24/08 at 12:04:22:
Hi,
I have a really good one: Today is Aagaard playing with white against Berg (Politiken Cup)..... and he plays .....yes: Ponziani...with yes: 8.Sd2- now I have to think about it..... and have a look what happens in the game.
greetings
wolfsblut


Since Aagaard characterized 8.Nd2 as a "random move," perhaps this signifies that he flips a coin before deciding which move to play.
  
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Reply #119 - 07/24/08 at 12:04:22
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Hi,
I have a really good one: Today is Aagaard playing with white against Berg (Politiken Cup)..... and he plays .....yes: Ponziani...with yes: 8.Sd2- now I have to think about it..... and have a look what happens in the game.
greetings
wolfsblut
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #118 - 07/22/08 at 00:36:50
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 07/21/08 at 22:11:40:
Group hug everyone!


Either that or tar and feathers for a certain very bothersome person here.
  
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Reply #117 - 07/21/08 at 22:11:40
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Group hug everyone!
  
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Reply #116 - 07/21/08 at 21:54:33
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Aagaard, I thank you for finally admiting Marin's faults with the book. I am very thankful that you guys came out with an update for Marin's two books.

I have a good idea about doing updates to an opening book. I would recommend doing updates for all the opening books you publish. However I would recommend coming out with the first update 2 years after the book is written and only have the update available online (don't add it to the book). This allows enough time for enough people to buy the book, for enough theory to develop to make an update worthwhile, and people won't feel the need to buy the second edition because the updates are only available online.

I would recommend having a section of your website devoted completely to these updates to your opening books. I would recommend setting up a forum, like the one here on chesspublishing.com, where readers can give their ideas about what needs updating. This way I could have suggested that 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani and a few other things be included in the update of Marin's two books.
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #115 - 07/21/08 at 20:51:04
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Sorry, I did not understand that this was an argument. I will happily yield as we definitely agree on what I know understand that you want me to say: It was definitely possible for Mihail to have used more sources for the update and this could and probably would have made the book better.

For the first edition we were talking about a few serious omissions, especially the Belgrade Gambit and 7.Qb3 in the Evans Gambit. This was not great. We repaired these for the reprint, but it was still a reprint. Yes, I admit I called it for the 2nd edition to sell more copies. At least I did not write "The Most Important Opening Book" on the cover Smiley.

In volume 2 we are talking about 8.Nd2 in the Ponziani, only played by 2200 guys. Could it have been covered, definitely yes, but it was far from obvious.

Some people thought this made the first volume bad and very few thanked us for putting the update on the website. Coincidently, and not because of this, we put the Spanish update on the website only and everyone was happy. Having worked with other publishers in my career, I know that they happily translate and reprint books they know are affluent with mistakes. I have always disliked this, but maybe it is the only way to do business? Or maybe just to get it right the first time around  Wink.

To me BTOG is still a very inspirational book, but like Cox and others I would not take anything at face value.

About the 1997 book. If I mention a Bilguir book, do I have to include all opening books in the last 100 years? The logic is not that convincing.

Jacob Aagaard
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #114 - 07/21/08 at 12:58:48
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'I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used'

I should have thought the bibliography constituted an admission to that effect all by itself!
  
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Reply #113 - 07/19/08 at 17:46:08
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MNb wrote on 07/19/08 at 16:28:04:
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I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used and therefore the book isn't as good as it could be!


If you promise you will stop whining and also stop asking questions like "What does X recommend" then I will fall on my knees begging GM Aagaard to please, please admit it. Deal?


Deal
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #112 - 07/19/08 at 16:28:04
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I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used and therefore the book isn't as good as it could be!


If you promise you will stop whining and also stop asking questions like "What does X recommend" then I will fall on my knees begging GM Aagaard to please, please admit it. Deal?
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #111 - 07/19/08 at 08:17:33
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I am shocked that you guys don't agree with me! I thought my argument was a lot better than Aagaard's argument!


Not really.
  
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