(UTC)
Latest Updates:
  ChessPub Forum › Chess Publishing Openings › 1. e4 e5 - Non-Spanish › Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
(Moderators: Smyslov_Fan, trw)
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8 ... 14
Topic Tools
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition (Read 62552 times)
Bibs
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 2148
Joined: 10/24/06
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #125 - 07/24/08 at 15:16:10
Post Tools
Do you live in a tent near Area 51? Bit too conspiratorial.

Is it chess? Is it the internet? Is it a combination of the two? Often seems like the lunatics have taken over the asylum hereabouts.

Its a line he was looking at here. He played it.

And no,  it  wasnt him Behind The Grassy Knoll.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
rossia
Senior Member
****
Offline


Saw: "Game Over!"

Posts: 333
Location: Irkutsk
Joined: 09/17/07
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #124 - 07/24/08 at 15:01:30
Post Tools
Don't trust anybody!!!
Cool
Usually opening books authors do not reveal all secrets, a specially when they're still competing
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bibs
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 2148
Joined: 10/24/06
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #123 - 07/24/08 at 14:52:58
Post Tools
Oh, calm down. Roll Eyes
It's chess. It's a move. He played it.

Zipperdeedoodah.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
rossia
Senior Member
****
Offline


Saw: "Game Over!"

Posts: 333
Location: Irkutsk
Joined: 09/17/07
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #122 - 07/24/08 at 14:36:17
Post Tools
Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ArKheiN
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 718
Location: Belgium
Joined: 03/30/05
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #121 - 07/24/08 at 12:28:12
Post Tools
And now I quote what I have said here previously!

I said
Quote:
Anonymous, I know Agaard's secret. Marin and him knew that the Ponziani was the refutation of 1..e5, but they tried to hide that. Why would someone buy a refuted opening repertoire? And as an active player, Marin will uses the Ponziani himself as a devastating effect when everyone will think that Black already equalized.


I was near the truth Smiley It would be interesting to know the result Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 6099
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Joined: 09/17/04
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #120 - 07/24/08 at 12:19:30
Post Tools
wolfsblut wrote on 07/24/08 at 12:04:22:
Hi,
I have a really good one: Today is Aagaard playing with white against Berg (Politiken Cup)..... and he plays .....yes: Ponziani...with yes: 8.Sd2- now I have to think about it..... and have a look what happens in the game.
greetings
wolfsblut


Since Aagaard characterized 8.Nd2 as a "random move," perhaps this signifies that he flips a coin before deciding which move to play.
  
The Great Oz has spoken!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
wolfsblut
Full Member
***
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 111
Joined: 06/02/06
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #119 - 07/24/08 at 12:04:22
Post Tools
Hi,
I have a really good one: Today is Aagaard playing with white against Berg (Politiken Cup)..... and he plays .....yes: Ponziani...with yes: 8.Sd2- now I have to think about it..... and have a look what happens in the game.
greetings
wolfsblut
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Markovich
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 6099
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Joined: 09/17/04
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #118 - 07/22/08 at 00:36:50
Post Tools
Seth_Xoma wrote on 07/21/08 at 22:11:40:
Group hug everyone!


Either that or tar and feathers for a certain very bothersome person here.
  
The Great Oz has spoken!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Seth_Xoma
God Member
*****
Offline


FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381)

Posts: 558
Location: Lansing
Joined: 11/05/04
Gender: Male
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #117 - 07/21/08 at 22:11:40
Post Tools
Group hug everyone!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Anonymous
Ex Member


Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #116 - 07/21/08 at 21:54:33
Post Tools
Aagaard, I thank you for finally admiting Marin's faults with the book. I am very thankful that you guys came out with an update for Marin's two books.

I have a good idea about doing updates to an opening book. I would recommend doing updates for all the opening books you publish. However I would recommend coming out with the first update 2 years after the book is written and only have the update available online (don't add it to the book). This allows enough time for enough people to buy the book, for enough theory to develop to make an update worthwhile, and people won't feel the need to buy the second edition because the updates are only available online.

I would recommend having a section of your website devoted completely to these updates to your opening books. I would recommend setting up a forum, like the one here on chesspublishing.com, where readers can give their ideas about what needs updating. This way I could have suggested that 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani and a few other things be included in the update of Marin's two books.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Jacob Aagaard
Full Member
***
Offline


Quality Chess says hi!

Posts: 165
Location: Glasgow, UK
Joined: 01/16/08
Gender: Male
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #115 - 07/21/08 at 20:51:04
Post Tools
Sorry, I did not understand that this was an argument. I will happily yield as we definitely agree on what I know understand that you want me to say: It was definitely possible for Mihail to have used more sources for the update and this could and probably would have made the book better.

For the first edition we were talking about a few serious omissions, especially the Belgrade Gambit and 7.Qb3 in the Evans Gambit. This was not great. We repaired these for the reprint, but it was still a reprint. Yes, I admit I called it for the 2nd edition to sell more copies. At least I did not write "The Most Important Opening Book" on the cover Smiley.

In volume 2 we are talking about 8.Nd2 in the Ponziani, only played by 2200 guys. Could it have been covered, definitely yes, but it was far from obvious.

Some people thought this made the first volume bad and very few thanked us for putting the update on the website. Coincidently, and not because of this, we put the Spanish update on the website only and everyone was happy. Having worked with other publishers in my career, I know that they happily translate and reprint books they know are affluent with mistakes. I have always disliked this, but maybe it is the only way to do business? Or maybe just to get it right the first time around  Wink.

To me BTOG is still a very inspirational book, but like Cox and others I would not take anything at face value.

About the 1997 book. If I mention a Bilguir book, do I have to include all opening books in the last 100 years? The logic is not that convincing.

Jacob Aagaard
  
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
IMJohnCox
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1547
Location: London
Joined: 01/28/06
Gender: Male
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #114 - 07/21/08 at 12:58:48
Post Tools
'I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used'

I should have thought the bibliography constituted an admission to that effect all by itself!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Anonymous
Ex Member


Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #113 - 07/19/08 at 17:46:08
Post Tools
MNb wrote on 07/19/08 at 16:28:04:
Quote:
I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used and therefore the book isn't as good as it could be!


If you promise you will stop whining and also stop asking questions like "What does X recommend" then I will fall on my knees begging GM Aagaard to please, please admit it. Deal?


Deal
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MNb
God Member
*****
Offline


Rudolf Spielmann forever

Posts: 10487
Location: Moengo
Joined: 01/05/04
Gender: Male
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #112 - 07/19/08 at 16:28:04
Post Tools
Quote:
I want Aagaard to admit that Marin didn't use all available sources that he should have used and therefore the book isn't as good as it could be!


If you promise you will stop whining and also stop asking questions like "What does X recommend" then I will fall on my knees begging GM Aagaard to please, please admit it. Deal?
  
The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged.
GC Lichtenberg
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Schaakhamster
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 650
Joined: 05/13/08
Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #111 - 07/19/08 at 08:17:33
Post Tools
Quote:
I am shocked that you guys don't agree with me! I thought my argument was a lot better than Aagaard's argument!


Not really.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8 ... 14
Topic Tools
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo
 
  « Board Index ‹ Board Top  

ChessPub Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2020. All Rights Reserved.

Valid RSS Valid XHTML Valid CSS Powered by Perl Source Forge