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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #140 - 07/25/08 at 02:32:45
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Reply #139 - 07/25/08 at 02:19:51
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Here are all of Aagaard's ridiculous posts!

Aagaard called 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani a random and normal move even though Tony Kosten analyzed it and showed it refutes that line of the Ponziani

Aagaard tried to give improvements for Black in the 8 Nd2 line of the Ponziani. However Tony Kosten told me he doesn't agree with Aagaard's analysis and still thinks White has the edge.

Aggard called me his wife

Aagaard said John Emm's book Play the Open Games as Black is filled with simple mistakes when in reality it isn't and is one of the best opening books ever.

Aagaard played 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani in a tournament game! This is the very move Aagaard said was a random and normal move, wasn't important enough to include in the book, and tried to give analysis to why it doesn't give White an edge.

All of these reasons is why I have lost full respect for Jacob Aagaard and will not be buying any more Quality Chess products and will try to convince everyone else to do the same!

  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #138 - 07/24/08 at 22:28:38
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tracke wrote on 07/24/08 at 20:16:28:
trw wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:21:36:
curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?

Obviously Aagaard is not only a bad author and a lazy publisher
but also as player he lacks the winning technique.

tracke  Huh



for the record I said no such thing! I was just examining a game and thought the great minds of the forum might correct me... Embarrassed not insinuate i'd state such awful things.  Cry

I know it seems weird to place the rook so passively defending but then white is just up a healthy pawn... what can black do? It is clear though that his move Rg7+ is a forced draw.

Beetlejuice wrote on 07/24/08 at 20:31:09:
trw wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:21:36:
curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?


I am actually also playing in this tournament, and I was present in the commentator's room today, where it was the general opinion that White would have had nice attacking chances after 13. h4 (instead of 13. Bxf5). Unfortunately Jacob didn't come to the commentator's room after his game - which he has done in some earlier rounds - otherwise he would he been asked to explain himself about his choice in move 13.

Maybe something to analyze here for those who consider this line important.



Yes I also wondered about 13. h4 though 13. Bxf5 seemed reasonable enough. It just felt like white had some major plus for awhile. At least thanks for taking my note seriouusly.
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #137 - 07/24/08 at 22:12:17
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Beetlejuice wrote on 07/24/08 at 20:31:09:
trw wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:21:36:
rossia wrote on 07/24/08 at 14:36:17:
Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008


1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½




curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?


I am actually also playing in this tournament, and I was present in the commentator's room today, where it was the general opinion that White would have had nice attacking chances after 13. h4 (instead of 13. Bxf5). Unfortunately Jacob didn't come to the commentator's room after his game - which he has done in some earlier rounds - otherwise he would he been asked to explain himself about his choice in move 13.

Maybe something to analyze here for those who consider this line important.


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Ne7 6.Nxe5 Ng6 7.Nxg6 hxg6 8.Nd2.  I looked 8...Nf6 9.Nc4 Qe7+, already suggested by Aagaard.  10. Be2 and now besides Aagaard's 10...b5, Black has 10...Qe4!?.  Now:

A.  11.Ne3 Qe5 looks fine for Black.

B.  11.0-0 Qxd5 12.Qxd5 Nxd5 13.Bf3 Nf6 14.Re1+ Be7

B1.  15.Bg5 d5=.  What does White have, really?  16.Bxf6 gxf6 17.Bxd5 c6 18.Nd6+ Kf8 doesn't look like a big deal. 

B2.  Nor does 15.Bf4 d5 16.Na5 c6 17.Bd6 Be6 18.Bxe7 Kxe7 19.Nxb7 Rab8.

C.  11.d6 Qxg2 12.Bf3 Qh6.  Silicon thinks Black is O.K., but I'm not so sure.  Even so, I don't see a clear path to White's advantage.  For instance, 13.dxc7 Qe6+ 14.Qe7 (or 13.Qe7+ Qe6 14.dxc7) 14...Qxe7+ 15.Kxe7 d5 16.Ne5 Bc5.
  

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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #136 - 07/24/08 at 22:11:38
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 07/24/08 at 15:50:06:
I just thought it was a really funny thing to try out. I am Danish by birth and thus prone to irony. I am sorry if anyone missed the joke  Tongue


Methinks not, more plausible is you tried it because like Tony and others you must have concluded after a closer look that it was a risk free way to play for the edge with the added bonus of being little known and studied. That's chess as Bibs says, its a move you played it, and why not.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, there also a recent chessbase magazine article advocating the Ponziani, and  as far as surprise weapons go I would sooner punt this than the Centre game advovated in Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5.

We can continue to expect players to rehabilitate old and forgotten lines and openings, so long as the Marshall continues to prove such an effective drawing weapon.

Heaven forbid should the Petroff prove annoying enough we may have to abandon 1.e4 all together or even worse yet resort to, dare I say it, the King's Gambit which has the positive of avoiding the draw but the negative of handing black the full point. Grin

Rule of thumb for annonymous and his many aliases, Focus a bit less on what the masters say and a bit more on what they play, and with that pearl of wisdom I'm outta here.

Sayonara,

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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #135 - 07/24/08 at 21:50:44
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Anonymous: I'm an idiot.  In fact, just about everyone on this forum (yourself excepted, of course) is an idiot.  We are all fools and don't deserve the quality posts with which you provide us.  I am sure there must be another chess forum out there where your supreme analytical skills would be more graciously and gratefully appreciated than here.  Please go there.
  

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Reply #134 - 07/24/08 at 21:34:20
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After all those ridiculous arguments from Aagaard that 8 Nd2 is just a random move and not important enough to include in the book, he goes and plays it himself. I have lost all respect for Jacob Aagaard! I thought Quality Chess was was a good chess book publishing company but I was wrong! I will not be buying any more of their products and I hope you do the same!

This is a message to everyone who disagrees with me on these posts! I am right and it is Marin, Aagaard, and Quality Chess who are wrong! If you can't see that by now, then you are an idiot!
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #133 - 07/24/08 at 20:31:09
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trw wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:21:36:
rossia wrote on 07/24/08 at 14:36:17:
Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008


1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½




curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?


I am actually also playing in this tournament, and I was present in the commentator's room today, where it was the general opinion that White would have had nice attacking chances after 13. h4 (instead of 13. Bxf5). Unfortunately Jacob didn't come to the commentator's room after his game - which he has done in some earlier rounds - otherwise he would he been asked to explain himself about his choice in move 13.

Maybe something to analyze here for those who consider this line important.
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #132 - 07/24/08 at 20:16:28
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trw wrote on 07/24/08 at 19:21:36:
curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?

Obviously Aagaard is not only a bad author and a lazy publisher
but also as player he lacks the winning technique.

tracke  Huh
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #131 - 07/24/08 at 19:21:36
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rossia wrote on 07/24/08 at 14:36:17:
Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008


1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½




curious but it feels like white is winning almost the entire game, might 27. Rxf5 keep the chance alive?
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #130 - 07/24/08 at 16:42:52
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 07/24/08 at 15:50:06:
I just thought it was a really funny thing to try out. I am Danish by birth and thus prone to irony. I am sorry if anyone missed the joke  Tongue


anonymus help, help help  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

we are dealing here with liars, cheaters, heavy criminals  Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed

let us condemn them all to death sentence for forging 8.Nd2 and fooling us around  Cool Cool Cool Cool

oh my dear god, where is now my naj very best friend DRUG STALIN, surely you don't wanna know him aagaard, do you?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #129 - 07/24/08 at 15:51:47
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 07/24/08 at 15:50:06:
I just thought it was a really funny thing to try out. I am Danish by birth and thus prone to irony. I am sorry if anyone missed the joke  Tongue


You mean, this isn't the refutation of 1...e5 and the end of chess as we know it? Shocked I am shocked and disappointed.  Sad
  

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I just thought it was a really funny thing to try out. I am Danish by birth and thus prone to irony. I am sorry if anyone missed the joke  Tongue
  
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Reply #127 - 07/24/08 at 15:28:35
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rossia wrote on 07/24/08 at 14:36:17:
Hello!

Thanks to anonymus we have caught Aagarad in flagranti.

Just when he wasted thousands words to put his mask on his face, he plays nothing else but 8.Nd2:


Aagaard,Jacob (2531) - Berg,Emanuel (2592) [C44]
Politiken Cup Dennmark, 24.07.2008


1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.c3 Nf6
4.d4 Nxe4
5.d5 Ne7
6.Nxe5 Ng6
7.Nxg6 hxg6
8.Nd2 Nxd2
9.Bxd2 Be7 10.Bd3 d6 11.Qe2 0-0 12.0-0-0 Bf5 13.Bxf5 gxf5 14.g4 Re8 15.gxf5 Bg5 16.Qh5 Bxd2+ 17.Rxd2 Qf6 18.Rg1 Re5 19.Rg5 g6 20.f4 Rxf5 21.Rxf5 Qxf5 22.Qxf5 gxf5 23.Rg2+ Kf8 24.Rg5 Ke7 25.h4 Rh8 26.h5 f6 27.Rg7+ Kd8 28.h6 Rxh6 29.Rg8+ Kd7 30.Rg7+ Kd8 31.Rg8+ Kd7 32.Rg7+ Kd8 ½-½



I am shocked that Black did not resign forthwith. I mean, isn't that what most of us would have done had we been confronted with a stunning move like 8. Nd2 in the supercritical Ponziani. Incredible that Black was able to find a response to such a move in the limitations of over the board chess and heroic that he was able to hold on for the draw. Surely Berg should be at the top of the list for this year's chess Oscars for such a feat!
  

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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #126 - 07/24/08 at 15:19:25
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Bibs wrote on 07/24/08 at 15:16:10:
Do you live in a tent near Area 51? Bit too conspiratorial.

Is it chess? Is it the internet? Is it a combination of the two? Often seems like the lunatics have taken over the asylum hereabouts.

Its a line he was looking at here. He played it.

And no,  it  wasnt him Behind The Grassy Knoll.


I rather suspect he played it just to tweak some noses here.
  

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