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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #200 - 08/06/08 at 16:17:17
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Decided then.

(Probably there will be no third edition. At least none is planned for the next 3 years.)
  
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Reply #199 - 08/06/08 at 16:06:23
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I agree that we should end his discussion.
  
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Reply #198 - 08/06/08 at 13:21:51
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Also, GM Tony Kosten, we haven't got your opinion yet on if Marin should have covered 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani in the second edition of Beating the Open Games.

I know from personal experience that you can't cover every single move in a chess book, and as Nd2 is the least popular of the 6 moves played here I suppose it is normal that he left it out.
My personal opinion is that this line is not Black's best, by any means, but as Marin clearly likes it it is only natural that he should recommend it. Maybe we can stop this discussion till the 3rd Edition comes out, and simply all agree to disagree?
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #197 - 08/06/08 at 07:36:54
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It is very likely that 3...d5 is the best move, but to say that it refutes the Ponziani is a bit over the top. Surely it takes little understanding of chess to determine that 3.c3 cannot be so bad that White is already worse.

Having said this, it is natural to play 3...d5, as White no longer has Nb1-c3 and Black will thus take some space in the centre.
  
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Reply #196 - 08/05/08 at 20:43:19
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Larry Kaufman's The Chess Advantage in Black and White covers the Ponziani with 3...d5 really well. He is the one that says that 3...d5 should come close to refuting the Ponziani. This is where I learned that 3...d5 may refute the Ponziani.

Also, GM Tony Kosten, we haven't got your opinion yet on if Marin should have covered 8 Nd2 in the Ponziani in the second edition of Beating the Open Games.
  
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Reply #195 - 08/05/08 at 17:33:14
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I believe that 3...d5 refutes or comes very close to refuting the Ponziani.

I would be very interested in seeing your analysis, as I have always had the feeling that 3...d5 should be the best move ... even if I have never played it! Wink Maybe you can start a new thread?
  
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Reply #194 - 08/05/08 at 13:55:01
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I don't think any of this discussion of the Ponziani with 3...Nf6 is really that important because I believe that 3...d5 refutes or comes very close to refuting the Ponziani.


What do you mean with refute here ? Clear advantage for black ?  Shocked

Anyway, I must admit that I also wondered about the status of 3...d5 or at least what experts of this system recommend for white here.
  
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Reply #193 - 08/03/08 at 20:16:42
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I don't think any of this discussion of the Ponziani with 3...Nf6 is really that important because I believe that 3...d5 refutes or comes very close to refuting the Ponziani.
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #192 - 08/01/08 at 07:24:37
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TUNO NEGRO wrote on 07/31/08 at 11:50:15:
What does recommend Marin's book vs the Worrall?

Thanks  Smiley


Don't worry about what Bibs says. All he does here on the forum is criticize other people's posts and tell people what they should and shouldn't say. It's ok to ask questions like this. Against the main line of the Worral, Marin recommends 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 Qe2 b5 6 Bb3 Be7 7 0-0 0-0 8 c3 d6 9 Rd1 Na5 10 Bc2 c5 11 d4 Qc7.  

Bibs, there are people who aren't as rich as you and can't afford to buy a lot of chess books.

That doesn't mean that you can lay down the law.
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #191 - 07/31/08 at 17:30:53
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Me and Anonymous2 are not the same person. I have no idea who he is.


Even more proof the Anonymous and Aagard are the same guys.  Please, it is so transparent.
  
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Reply #190 - 07/31/08 at 15:42:47
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TUNO NEGRO wrote on 07/31/08 at 11:50:15:
What does recommend Marin's book vs the Worrall?

Thanks  Smiley


Don't worry about what Bibs says. All he does here on the forum is criticize other people's posts and tell people what they should and shouldn't say. It's ok to ask questions like this. Against the main line of the Worral, Marin recommends 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 Qe2 b5 6 Bb3 Be7 7 0-0 0-0 8 c3 d6 9 Rd1 Na5 10 Bc2 c5 11 d4 Qc7. 

Bibs, there are people who aren't as rich as you and can't afford to buy a lot of chess books.
  
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Reply #189 - 07/31/08 at 15:37:14
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DD-OK wrote on 07/31/08 at 13:54:20:
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Now on to a different topic. Aagaard, can you tell us what forthcoming opening books Quality Chess has planned?



See, I TOLD YOU THE TWO MR A.'S ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!!


Me and Anonymous2 are not the same person. I have no idea who he is.
  
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Reply #188 - 07/31/08 at 13:54:20
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Now on to a different topic. Aagaard, can you tell us what forthcoming opening books Quality Chess has planned?



See, I TOLD YOU THE TWO MR A.'S ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!!
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #187 - 07/31/08 at 11:56:49
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Not to be unhelpful or curmudgeonly, but I would warn against such questions and detailed answers in response - ethically and in terms of copyright.

You may like to buy the book and have a look. Or peruse at a bookstall.
  
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Reply #186 - 07/31/08 at 11:50:15
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What does recommend Marin's book vs the Worrall?

Thanks  Smiley
  
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