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Reply #65 - 07/11/08 at 03:23:27
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Reply #64 - 07/10/08 at 23:47:22
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Aagaard, why didn't you answer my questions?

Aagaard, why do you refuse to answer these questions???!!!


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Reply #63 - 07/10/08 at 22:02:05
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Aagaard, why didn't you answer my questions?

This line of the Ponziani isn't the only line that Marin didn't address. Here are two other lines that should have been addressed in the update!

A) In the update to A Spanish Repertoire for Black, why doesn't Marin adress this line of the Worrall Attack, 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 Qe2 b5 6 Bb3 Be7 7 0-0 0-0 8 c3 d6 9 Rd1 Na5 10 Bc2 c5 11 d4 Qc7 12 d5 Bd7 13 b3 Ne8 14.Nbd2 g6 15.Nf1 Ng7 16.Bh6 f6 now Marin only gives 17 h3 but gives Andrew Greet in his book Play the Ruy Lopez recommends 17 a4 or 17 N3d2. 

B) Andrew Greet refutes Marin's recommendation against the center game in his book Dangerous Weapons: 1 e4 e5? Why doesn't Marin Address that? Don't try to tell me it isn't an important line!

Why didn't Marin use sources like Play 1 e4 e5, Play the Open Games as Black, etc? Most other authors use these most important sources. If Marin had used these sources in the first place, he probably wouldn't have had to come out with a second edition!

Aagaard, why do you refuse to answer these questions???!!!


Anonymous, drop it, for crying out loud.  Enough already.  This is a collaborative forum, not a star chamber. 

When a GM like Marin talks, I shut up and listen.  I don't quibble or haggle.  Take what Marin says for what it's worth, and it's worth a great deal.

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Reply #62 - 07/10/08 at 21:22:42
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Aagaard, why didn't you answer my questions?

This line of the Ponziani isn't the only line that Marin didn't address. Here are two other lines that should have been addressed in the update!

A) In the update to A Spanish Repertoire for Black, why doesn't Marin adress this line of the Worrall Attack, 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 Qe2 b5 6 Bb3 Be7 7 0-0 0-0 8 c3 d6 9 Rd1 Na5 10 Bc2 c5 11 d4 Qc7 12 d5 Bd7 13 b3 Ne8 14.Nbd2 g6 15.Nf1 Ng7 16.Bh6 f6 now Marin only gives 17 h3 but gives Andrew Greet in his book Play the Ruy Lopez recommends 17 a4 or 17 N3d2.  

B) Andrew Greet refutes Marin's recommendation against the center game in his book Dangerous Weapons: 1 e4 e5? Why doesn't Marin Address that? Don't try to tell me it isn't an important line!

Why didn't Marin use sources like Play 1 e4 e5, Play the Open Games as Black, etc? Most other authors use these most important sources. If Marin had used these sources in the first place, he probably wouldn't have had to come out with a second edition!

Aagaard, why do you refuse to answer these questions???!!!
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #61 - 07/10/08 at 20:57:24
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About the suggestion of banning Mr. Ano, look at this before you take a stand http://xkcd.com/386/


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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #60 - 07/10/08 at 13:15:08
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 07/10/08 at 08:49:02:
I suspect that anonymeous is my wife. When the reason why something is unacceptable falls apart, the conclusion of it being unacceptable stays, but the way of reasoning changes continuously. In this way you can never win the argument, because for every answer you come up with a new fault appears.

I thought the original question was fair, even though the tone was a bit over the top.

It is true that Marin was getting remarks from us about what was important on ChessPublishing for the 2nd edition of the book, and that we made a conscious decision to omit 8.Nd2 on feeling.

However, and I really want to stress this, the 2nd edition was first and foremost a reprint. We were out of stock and asked Mihail to make a few corrections. He come back with 50 pages! Thinking of how much ill feeling we got from this - even though you can download it all for free on our website - I find it disrespectful to call Marin lazy.

About the suggestion of banning Mr. Ano, look at this before you take a stand http://xkcd.com/386/

We will continue to help our writers to write the best possible chess books as well as listen to our readers opinions about how this is done, but in the end we will always go with what we reckon is best.

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Reply #59 - 07/10/08 at 09:20:00
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #58 - 07/10/08 at 08:49:02
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I suspect that anonymeous is my wife. When the reason why something is unacceptable falls apart, the conclusion of it being unacceptable stays, but the way of reasoning changes continuously. In this way you can never win the argument, because for every answer you come up with a new fault appears.

I thought the original question was fair, even though the tone was a bit over the top.

It is true that Marin was getting remarks from us about what was important on ChessPublishing for the 2nd edition of the book, and that we made a conscious decision to omit 8.Nd2 on feeling.

However, and I really want to stress this, the 2nd edition was first and foremost a reprint. We were out of stock and asked Mihail to make a few corrections. He come back with 50 pages! Thinking of how much ill feeling we got from this - even though you can download it all for free on our website - I find it disrespectful to call Marin lazy.

About the suggestion of banning Mr. Ano, look at this before you take a stand http://xkcd.com/386/

We will continue to help our writers to write the best possible chess books as well as listen to our readers opinions about how this is done, but in the end we will always go with what we reckon is best.

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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #57 - 07/09/08 at 23:01:20
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I infer that you (Anonymous, that is) refuse my challenge.

To your credit, you probably did the right thing. Looking back at your most recent posts, when you do post chess analysis, it tends to be quotes from other books, without any individual analysis of your own (not that I have anything against this).

Excessive repetition of the same point may work on Uncyclopedia, but I strongly recommend you avoid it on this Forum.

And good luck with your repertoire books on the Ruy Lopez and Slav Smiley.
  
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Reply #56 - 07/09/08 at 22:30:22
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Markovich wrote on 07/09/08 at 12:11:13:
Regius wrote on 07/09/08 at 05:27:34:
Hello dear Anonymous,

I have a challenge for you: I want you to post your analyses of the Gajewski Variation of the Main Line Ruy Lopez (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5) in full detail on this forum. They should be as detailed as possible, and don't just make the analysis a database dump - you should explain why you think White or Black is better in a particular position.

Any of the ChessPublishing Forum members are allowed to point out improvements over your analysis and any ommissions that you made it your analyses. And we are allowed to repeat any of your ommissions in consecutive posts, just so that you get the message.

If you are able to prove that there are no major ommissions in your analyses within 72 hours of posting your analyses, then maybe we will consider what you have to say in the future.





I propose that we lay off this guy.  He has a point, which he made with perhaps excessive persistence.  It's a free country, and this guy's entitled to his opinion.


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Regius wrote on 07/09/08 at 05:27:34:
Hello dear Anonymous,

I have a challenge for you: I want you to post your analyses of the Gajewski Variation of the Main Line Ruy Lopez (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5) in full detail on this forum. They should be as detailed as possible, and don't just make the analysis a database dump - you should explain why you think White or Black is better in a particular position.

Any of the ChessPublishing Forum members are allowed to point out improvements over your analysis and any ommissions that you made it your analyses. And we are allowed to repeat any of your ommissions in consecutive posts, just so that you get the message.

If you are able to prove that there are no major ommissions in your analyses within 72 hours of posting your analyses, then maybe we will consider what you have to say in the future.





I propose that we lay off this guy.  He has a point, which he made with perhaps excessive persistence.  It's a free country, and this guy's entitled to his opinion.
  

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Reply #54 - 07/09/08 at 05:27:34
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Hello dear Anonymous,

I have a challenge for you: I want you to post your analyses of the Gajewski Variation of the Main Line Ruy Lopez (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5) in full detail on this forum. They should be as detailed as possible, and don't just make the analysis a database dump - you should explain why you think White or Black is better in a particular position.

Any of the ChessPublishing Forum members are allowed to point out improvements over your analysis and any ommissions that you made it your analyses. And we are allowed to repeat any of your ommissions in consecutive posts, just so that you get the message.

If you are able to prove that there are no major ommissions in your analyses within 72 hours of posting your analyses, then maybe we will consider what you have to say in the future.



  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #53 - 07/09/08 at 03:06:35
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thats it, i will play the ponziani and write a book too!   Grin  it will be the hottest opening, the greatest discovery since e4!
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #52 - 07/09/08 at 02:47:56
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8.Nd2 is such a horrible omission that everyone is rushing to play the Ponziani against Marin!



Oh, wait...that's right, no one has played it against him for some reason!?!? That's weird. Especially since it is the refutation of the whole line!  Cheesy
  
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Re: Beating The Open Games 2nd Edition
Reply #51 - 07/08/08 at 12:33:15
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Yes, but does it mention the all-important 8.Nd2 ?
  

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