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SWJediknight God Member Offline Alert... opponent out of book! Posts: 915 Joined: 03/14/08	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #9 - 07/22/08 at 09:32:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	The main problems with the book are that it isn't what it makes itself out to be, plus the analysis holes which seem deliberately designed to make the recommended lines seem stronger than they are. I play the Scotch Gambit quite a bit myself with good results, but there's no denying that objectively speaking Black has numerous ways to equalise against it. Thus, it would make sense as a recommendation for club players, but not as a "lifetime repertiore" recommendation for those progressing towards master level. And there's no excuse for making the opening seem better than it is, by giving sub-optimal play for Black. There's even evidence of their suggesting sub-optimal play for Black leading to them suggesting lines that are sub-optimal for White and may even give Black the edge. For example, after 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 (I prefer 6 0-0 with the follow-up 6...Nxe4 7 cxd4 d5 8 dxc5 dxc4 9 Qe2, which is also about equal) Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Bxd2+ 8 Nbxd2 d5 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 Na5 11 Qa4+ Nc6, better is either 12 Bb5 or John Watson's suggestion of 12 0-0, rather than the dubious 12 Ne5. Black also has 7...Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7+ Kxf7 10 Qb3+ Kf8 11 Qxb4+ Qe7 = which isn't even mentioned in the book according to Watson. After 4...Nf6 5 e5 Ne4 as favoured by Nigel Davies, 6 Qe2 Nc5 7 c3 (7...d3!) isn't the best way to continue in gambit style. Instead I would suggest 6 Bd5 Nc5 7 c3 when 7...d3 is not as strong.


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Anonymous Ex Member	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #8 - 07/10/08 at 21:14:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	CheckMate wrote on 07/10/08 at 14:53:38: Quote: A) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 and now: A1) 7...Bxd2+ 8 Nbxd2 d5 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 Na5 11 Qa4+ Nc6 12 Ne5 0-0 13 0-0 14 Bxd5 and now they only give 14...Qxd5 here for Black but what about 14...Nxe5? I've analysed this very line a little bit some weeks ago. First you have missed out a move so I assume you mean 12. Ne5 0-0 13. Bxd5. What did the authors give after 13 ... Qxd5? My analysis runs: 13 ...Qxd7 14. Nxc6 bc 15. 0-0 c5 16. Nb3 (on 16. Nf3 Bg4) Bb7 17. f3 c418. Na5 Qxd4+ 19. Kh1 Bd5. If my analysis turns out to be flawed Black still can rely on the solid 13 ... Nxe5, which I think is equal (at least) I fixed it, thanks


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CheckMate wrote on 07/10/08 at 14:53:38:

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A) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 and now:
A1) 7...Bxd2+ 8 Nbxd2 d5 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 Na5 11 Qa4+ Nc6 12Ne5 0-0 13 0-0 14 Bxd5 and now they only give 14...Qxd5 here for Black but what about 14...Nxe5?

I've analysed this very line a little bit some weeks ago. First you have missed out a move so I assume you mean 12. Ne5 0-0 13. Bxd5.

There should have been a diagram attached to my last post here it is:

(1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 ed 6. cd Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Bxd2+ 8. Nbxd2 d5 9. ed Nxd5 10. Qb3 Na5 11. Qa4+ Nc6 12. Ne5 0-0 13. Bxd5 Qxd5!? 14. Nxc6 bc 15. 0-0 c5 16. Nb3 Bb7 17. f3 c4 18. Na5 Qxd4+ 19. Kh1 Bd5)

Who is better here? Black has nice development and is a pawn up but the pawn structure is ruptured. Difficult to assess (hmm?); maybe dynamically equal?

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CheckMate Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 164 Location: Uppsala Joined: 07/18/06 Gender:	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #6 - 07/10/08 at 14:53:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: A) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 and now: A1) 7...Bxd2+ 8 Nbxd2 d5 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 Na5 11 Qa4+ Nc6 12 Ne5 0-0 13 0-0 14 Bxd5 and now they only give 14...Qxd5 here for Black but what about 14...Nxe5? I've analysed this very line a little bit some weeks ago. First you have missed out a move so I assume you mean 12. Ne5 0-0 13. Bxd5. What did the authors give after 13 ... Qxd5? My analysis runs: 13 ...Qxd7 14. Nxc6 bc 15. 0-0 c5 16. Nb3 (on 16. Nf3 Bg4) Bb7 17. f3 c418. Na5 Qxd4+ 19. Kh1 Bd5. If my analysis turns out to be flawed Black still can rely on the solid 13 ... Nxe5, which I think is equal (at least)


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #5 - 07/10/08 at 14:26:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	you didn't expect quality from Roman Dzindzichashvili ?!


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Regius YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 30 Joined: 07/02/08	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #4 - 07/10/08 at 03:11:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	I refer you to John Watson's book review 77 on TWIC for more information of the innumerable fallacies of this book. Their book "Chess Openings for Black Explained" is much more useful in comparison, since the holes in their repertoire lines are minor. I should add that this book is only a starting point for learning the recommended lines, but in this case it is not the variations itself that are the problem (which is the case for "Chess Openings for White Explained").


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10756 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #3 - 07/10/08 at 00:30:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	Old news. A long time ago I saw excerpts on the Sicilian (GP) and the Caro-Kann (Exchange 4.Bd3). This book is not worth the paper.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Ender Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 408 Joined: 05/22/06	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #2 - 07/09/08 at 22:49:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have this book too and Im also upset. In Pirc chapter they also didnt give many good variations for black. And in French too...

	2200. Amateur!
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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Chess Openings for White Explained Reply #1 - 07/09/08 at 22:39:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	I seriously suggest we hang the authors.


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Anonymous Ex Member	Chess Openings for White Explained 07/09/08 at 22:24:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	The book Chess Openings for White Exaplained has become a very popular book but I am going to tell you why it is one of the worst opening books ever and therefore no one else should buy the book! The analysis is very poor in this book. They purposely left out Black's best moves in lots of different variations! The authors said they checked lines with the computers but this can't be true because otherwise there wouldn't be so many mistakes in the book! The authors also did not seem to use many sources to help them write this book! This book recommends 1 e4. I am much more familiar with 1...e5 than I am with any other defense to 1 e4 so I will only be showing how there analysis in the 1 e4 e5 section is poor. There main recommendation against 1...e5 is the Scotch Gambit (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4) In Alomost every line they give for White, they leave out obvious improvements for Black that have been recommended in other sources! A) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 and now: A1) 7...Bxd2+ 8 Nbxd2 d5 9 exd5 Nxd5 10 Qb3 Na5 11 Qa4+ Nc6 12 Ne5 0-0 13 Bxd5 and now they only give 13...Qxd5 here for Black but what about 13...Nxe5? Fritz 7(!) picks this move up immediately! If an old version of Fritz can find the move there is no reason for them to miss this! A2) 7...Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7+ Kxf7 10 Qb3+ and now they only give 10...d5 here for Black but what about 10...Kf8, as mentioned in many sources? B) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Nf6 5 e5 Ne4 6 Qe2 Nc5 7 c3 and now they only give 7...dxc3 for Black but what about 7...d3, as recommended by Nigel Davies in Play 1 e4 e5? C) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bb4+ 5 c3 dxc3 6 bxc3 and now they only give 6...Ba5 here for Black! What about 6...Qf6, as recommended by John Watson and Eric Schiller in there book Survive and beat Annoying Chess Openings?
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