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Re: Pawn snatch 9 0-0-0 d5
Reply #4 - 07/21/08 at 15:23:26
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Hope I read the position right, here are some games

[Event "IECG EM"]
[Site "IECG email"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Goins, David A"]
[Black "Vujadinovic, Milan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B76"]
[WhiteElo "2295"]
[BlackElo "2251"]
[PlyCount "71"]
[EventDate "1999.??.??"]
[EventType "corr"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2002.07.02"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. exd5 Nxd5 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Nxd5 cxd5 13. Qxd5 Qc7 14. Qc5
Qb7 15. c3 Bf5 16. Qa3 Rab8 17. Ba6 Qc7 18. Bd3 Qe5 19. Qc5 Qe6 20. Bc4 Qf6 21.
Qa5 Rfc8 22. Bb3 h5 23. Rd5 Kh7 24. h4 Be6 25. Bg5 Bh6 26. Rd2 Bxg5 27. hxg5
Qf4 28. Re1 Rd8 29. Ree2 Rxd2 30. Rxd2 Qe3 31. Bxe6 Rxb2 32. Kxb2 Qxd2+ 33. Kb3
Qd1+ 34. Kb4 Qd6+ 35. Qc5 a5+ 36. Kb5 1/2-1/2

[Event "ICCF Fax-B corr"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaser, Helmut F"]
[Black "Nielsen, Jens Hartung"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B76"]
[WhiteElo "2470"]
[BlackElo "2495"]
[PlyCount "125"]
[EventDate "1994.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
[EventRounds "14"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2000.04.19"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2
O-O 9. O-O-O d5 10. exd5 Nxd5 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Nxd5 cxd5 13. Qxd5 Qc7 14. Qc5
Qb7 15. c3 Bf5 16. Qa3 Rab8 17. Ba6 Qc7 18. Bd3 Qe5 19. Qc5 Qe6 20. Bc4 Qf6 21.
Qa5 Rfc8 22. Bb3 h5 23. Rd5 Kh7 24. h4 Rc6 25. Bd4 Qe6 26. Bxg7 Rxb3 27. Be5
Ra6 28. Qd8 f6 29. g4 Rxa2 30. gxf5 gxf5 31. Qd7 Qxd7 32. Rxd7 fxe5 33. Rxe7+
Kg6 34. Rh2 Kf6 35. Rc7 Ra1+ 36. Kc2 Rb6 37. Rg2 e4 38. fxe4 fxe4 39. Rc5 Re1
40. Rxh5 e3 41. Rh7 e2 42. Rf2+ Ke6 43. Kd2 Rd1+ 44. Kxe2 Rxb2+ 45. Kxd1 Rxf2
46. Rxa7 Rh2 47. Ra4 Kd6 48. Rg4 Ke6 49. c4 Kf5 50. Rd4 Ke5 51. Rd5+ Ke4 52. h5
Ke3 53. c5 Ke4 54. Rg5 Kd3 55. Ke1 Ke3 56. Kf1 Kf4 57. Rd5 Ke4 58. Kg1 Rh4 59.
Rg5 Kf4 60. Rg2 Rxh5 61. Rc2 Rh7 62. c6 Rc7 63. Rc5 1/2-1/2
  
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Re: Pawn snatch 9 0-0-0 d5
Reply #3 - 07/20/08 at 11:41:58
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After 15...Be6 White might consider 16.Bd3 Rab8 17.Qa3 and now Fritz wants White to grab the second pawn after a5 18.f4 Rbc8 19.Qxa5. It looks quite risky to me, but is Black's attack worth two pawns?
15...Rab8 16.Qa3 Bf5 17.Ba6 Qc7 18.Bd3 has been played before, Black drew after Bxd3. The point seems to be 19.Rxd3 e6 20.Qxa7 Qc4!
To answer the question "What does Black have for the pawn", the answer might be play against the pawns a2, b2 and c3. Like Tony pointed out Black has sacrificial ideas against the latter two, while the weakness of pawn a2 means that the black a-pawn often is poisoned.
Hope this helps.
  
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Re: Pawn snatch 9 0-0-0 d5
Reply #2 - 07/20/08 at 04:51:02
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You didn't consider 15...Be6, which to me looks like the best move. Then 16. Qa5 Rab8 17. Qa3 a5! and in my opinion, Black's got enough compensation. Of course 17...a5 stops 18. Ba6, and after 18...Rfc8 (Unless White does something stupid), White will be looking at defended against all kinds of violence on b2 or c3.
  
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Re: Pawn snatch 9 0-0-0 d5
Reply #1 - 07/19/08 at 21:24:11
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nexirae wrote on 07/19/08 at 17:37:38:
Hi, it's been a few years since I've been on this forum.

Well, your last on was on 13 - 2 (or 2/13, if you prefer). But if that one doesn't count (only one word), it has been two years indeed. Welcome back. Kiss
I will look at your line tomorrow, now I have a girlfriend to please.
  
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Pawn snatch 9 0-0-0 d5
07/19/08 at 17:37:38
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Hi, it's been a few years since I've been on this forum.

Anyway, 9 0-0-0 d5 10 exd5 Nxd5 11 Nxc6 bxc6 12 Nxd5 cxd5 13 Qxd5 Qc7 14 Qc5! Qb7 15 c3!

And now after 15 ... Rb8 16 Qa3 Bf5 17 Ba6! (17 Bd3?? Bxc3!! wins) Qc7 18 Bd3 or 15 ... Bf5 16 Qa3, what does black have for the pawn?

I know black is supposed to have "attacking chances" here, but I don't see any, and with a decent defense, it seems like white will win readily.  Fritz says it's a clear pawn up.

Thoughts?
  
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