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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #10 - 08/15/08 at 09:31:02
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Thanks BigBen for the game...I will look at it when I have some time.
  

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #9 - 08/14/08 at 11:35:57
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dom wrote on 07/26/08 at 12:00:56:
11.Bd2 and the Black pawn stucture is a wreck after Qc5-Nb3-Qe7-Bxc6+-bxc6-Qh5+-g6-Qe2 or a dangerous middlegame afer Qxd4-Bxb4-Qxb2


Hi, A comp game went:

BartalsI (2347) - The Wizard,Rybka 2.3.2a mp (2869) [C10]
Rated game, 5m + 0s Engine Room, 16.08.2007

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 6.Ne2 f6 7.Ng3 fxe5 8.Bb5 exd4 9.Nxe4 dxe4 10.Nxd4 Qd5 11.c4 Bb4+ 12.Bd2 Qxd4 13.Bxb4 Qxb2 14.Rb1 Qe5 15.Bxc6+ bxc6 16.Qa4 Bd7 17.Qa3 c5 18.Bxc5 Bc6 19.0-0 Kf7 20.Bxa7 Rhd8 21.Qa6 Rd6 22.Rbd1 Kg8 23.Rxd6 Qxd6 24.h3 e3 25.fxe3 Bxg2 26.Qxd6 cxd6 27.Kxg2 Rxa7 28.Rf2 Ra6 29.Kg3 Rc6 30.Rc2 Kf7 31.a4 Rc5 32.Rf2+ Ke7 33.Ra2 Rxc4 34.a5 Rc7 35.a6 Ra7 36.Ra4 Kd7 37.Rh4 h6 38.Rg4 Kc6 39.h4 Kb6 40.Rb4+ Kxa6 41.Rb8 Rd7 42.Kg4 Re7 43.Kf4 Rf7+ 44.Ke4 Rf5 45.Rg8 Kb5 46.Rxg7 Kc4 47.Rc7+ Rc5 48.Ra7 Re5+ 49.Kf3 d5 50.Ra4+ Kc5 51.Rf4 h5 52.Rd4 Rf5+ 53.Ke2 Rf8 54.Ra4 Rb8 55.Kf3 e5 56.Ra6 Rb6 57.Ra5+ Kd6 58.Ra4 Rc6 59.Kf2 Rc4 60.Ra6+ Kd7 61.Kg3 Rg4+ 62.Kh3 Re4 63.Ra3 Kc6 64.Ra6+ Kc5 65.Ra3 Kb4 66.Rd3 Kc4 67.Ra3 d4 68.exd4 exd4 69.Ra1 d3 70.Ra4+ Kd5 71.Ra1 Kd4 72.Kg3 d2 73.Kf2 Rxh4 0-1

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #8 - 08/02/08 at 22:35:33
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Yes, looks like 17.Qb4 is a problem...so 16... 0-0 is mandatory. However, you've made me change my mind and the resulting positions would only be enjoyed being played by a program.
  

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #7 - 08/01/08 at 13:49:34
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dom's "TN" (12 Bd2!?) is fascinating. At the moment I don't have a clue whether Black should be OK after this or not -- maybe only long hours of analysis will establish the truth! Anyone got any thoughts?

Meanwhile I wonder if 11 ...Qc5 (instead of 11 ...Bb4) is an idea ...
  
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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #6 - 07/31/08 at 22:06:23
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[quote]Also, after 12.Nxe5, Black can play Bxd4 so 12.dxe5 Bb2 13.Qb3 Bxe5 (interesting material imbalance which I think gives Black a better endgame). if 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Nxe5 Qf6 actually looks good - here's the thing, even if it's wrong - how is your 2015 player going to cope OTB? After either Bc3 or Nxc6 I like 16...0-0. If White castles then you hit him with Ba6, so he might want to play f4 which is kind of ugly. Black plays Ba6 anyway, threatening Bc4 and keeping the White King in the center.
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After 16 f4 Ba6 (what else?), maybe 17 Qb4 gives Black's King a headache too ...?
  
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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #5 - 07/30/08 at 18:01:39
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/30/08 at 06:07:42:
I'm still dying to find out what will G<McDonald put in his upcoming reprtoire book on the French. Will it be this, the HR French? Shocked


Hello, of course there are a lot of possibilities for a French repertoire. You can check this thread: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1214391315 which I started but still not so many responses. Very strange....
  
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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
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I'm still dying to find out what will G<McDonald put in his upcoming reprtoire book on the French. Will it be this, the HR French? Shocked
  

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #3 - 07/28/08 at 19:33:02
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@ ghenghisclown
Yes i'm sure 12...Qe7 was the first mistake (assuming 8...Bb4 wasn't one Smiley). Is there a reason you think 12...e4 is required instead of 12...exd4 13.Nxd4 0-0? Maybe it's a little risky opening up the position but there doesn't seem to be any immediate problems and Black has more chances to activate his pawn mass.

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I like this 11.Bd2 idea for White. If I play this line again I think I'd repeat 8...Bb4
  

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #2 - 07/26/08 at 12:00:56
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Yes, 7...Bb4!? is a good move as is 7...exd4, but in fact for me position for White is always difficult if White doesn't take the pawn back at once and restore the material balance.
Maybe 7...Bb4 is better than 7...exd4, because after 8.Cxe4 dxe4 9.Cxd4 Qd5 10.c4! Bb4 White can avoid 11.Kf1 Hector-Rozentalis,Malmo 1997 and play in siminal manner than Slav gambit: 11.Bd2 and the Black pawn stucture is a wreck after Qc5-Nb3-Qe7-Bxc6+-bxc6-Qh5+-g6-Qe2 or a dangerous middlegame afer Qxd4-Bxb4-Qxb2
  

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Re: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
Reply #1 - 07/23/08 at 09:57:38
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I'm surprised no one has commented. I'm also pretty anxious to see what a strong player thinks of this position. I'll give it a go since I've been waiting for others but nothing's happened, so...

Interestingly, Bb4+ looks to be a computer move - it seems like it would have worked with the right follow up, but Qe7 smacks me as panic, plain wrong to me. After this, I think White has got to be better.

Instead 12...e4 keeping the pawn seems warranted.  

Also, after 12.Nxe5, Black can play Bxd4 so 12.dxe5 Bb2 13.Qb3 Bxe5 (interesting material imbalance which I think gives Black a better endgame). if 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Nxe5 Qf6 actually looks good - here's the thing, even if it's wrong - how is your 2015 player going to cope OTB? After either Bc3 or Nxc6 I like 16...0-0. If White castles then you hit him with Ba6, so he might want to play f4 which is kind of ugly. Black plays Ba6 anyway, threatening Bc4 and keeping the White King in the center.

Those are my preliminary thoughts anyway.

  

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C10: Hecht-Reefschlaeger line 8...Bb4
07/20/08 at 20:23:17
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I just finished a tournament and tried out 3.Nc3 Nc6 for the first time (actually my first time playing the French at all).

W.Jones (2015) - T.Seymour (2053)
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 6.Ne2 f6 7.Ng3 fxe5 8.Bb5 (this move was new to me, I only knew about 8.dxe5) 8...Bb4+!? (I know now that 8...exd4 9.Nxe4 dxe4 10.Nxd4 Qd5! 11.Nxc6 a6 12.Ba4 Bd7 13.c4 Qxd1 14.Kxd1 Bc5 is the recommended line but I didn't find it OTB. I'm wondering whether 8...Bb4 is a reasonable alternative?) 9.c3 Nxc3 10.bxc3 (at the time I was more worried about 10.Bxc6+ bxc6 11.Qb3 Nxa2+ 12.Bd2 Bxd2 13.Nxd2 {13.Kxd2 e4} but looking now after 13...exd4 I guess I shouldn't have been) 10...Bxc3+ 11.Bd2 Bxa1 12.Qxa1 now is 12...exd4 13.Nxd4 0-0 so bad for Black? say 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.Bxc6 Qd6 Black's central pawns could turn out to be good

Any thoughts?

btw the game continued 12...Qe7?! 13.Nxe5 Bd7 14.Nxd7 Kxd7 15.0-0 a6 16.Bd3 g5 17.Qb2 h5 18.Rc1 Rab8 19.Qc3 Ra8 20.Qb3 Rab8 21.Qc3 Ra8 22.Qb2 Rab8 23.Bc3 h4 24.Nf1 g4 I felt that maybe I was back in the game but now things went downhill 25. Qe2 Qg5 26.Re1 Rbe8 27.Qe3 Qg7 28.Nd2! Rh6 29.Nb3 b6 30.Bxa6 Ra8 31.Bb5 Rxa2 32.Bd2 g3 33.fxg3 Rg6 34.Qc3 e5 35.dxe5 hxg3 36.e6+ Ke7 37.Qxg7+ Rxg7 38.Bxc6 gxh2+ 39.Kxh2 Kd6 40.e7 Rxe7 41.Bb4+ 1-0
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