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Re: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5
Reply #2 - 07/25/08 at 14:57:04
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How can I as white make use of this opening by black?
Or is it only possible to transpose to the symmetrical english where I have allowed black to play ... e5?


For a symmetrical English treatment, check out the following game - it is not everyday that you see Karpov get positionally trashed:

[Event "Ch World"]
[Site "Sevilla (Spain)"]
[Date "1987"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Kasparov Garry (RUS)"]
[Black "Karpov Anatoly (RUS)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A21"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 3.g3 c5 4.Bg2 Nc6 5.a3 g6 6.b4 Bg7 7.Rb1 Nge7
8.e3 O-O 9.d3 Rb8 10.Nge2 Be6 11.b5 Na5 12.Bd2 b6 13.O-O Nb7
14.e4 Kh8 15.Qc1 f5 16.Bg5 Qe8 17.Bxe7 Qxe7 18.exf5 Bxf5 19.Nd5
Qd7 20.Qd2 Na5 21.Nec3 Rbe8 22.Ne4 Nb7 23.a4 Na5 24.h4 Nb7 25.Kh2
Rb8 26.Ra1 Na5 27.Ra3 Rf7 28.Qc3 Rd8 29.Ra2 Bh6 30.Ng5 Rff8 31.Re2
Bg7 32.Qc2 Rde8 33.Ne3 Bh6 34.Bd5 Bg7 35.Qd1 h6 36.Ne4 Qd8 37.Ra2
Bc8 38.Nc3 h5 39.Be4 Re6 40.Ncd5 Bh6 41.Ng2 Kg7 42.f4 exf4 43.Ngxf4
Re5 44.Nxg6 Rxf1 45.Qxf1 Rxe4 46.dxe4 Kxg6 47.Rf2 Qe8 48.e5 dxe5
49.Rf6+ Kg7 50.Rd6 1-0

In certain cases it is desirable for white to exchange his dark-squared bishop for a black knight and then seek white square domination as Kasparov showed here.

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Obviously there i a gaping hole on d5 and the knight is already there to jump in - looks like steady += already

sample:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.d3 d6 6.e3 Bg7 7.Nge2 Nge7 8.O-O O-O 9.a3 Be6 10.Nd5 Qd7 11.Nec3 Bh3 12.Bxh3 Qxh3 13.Rb1 Nxd5 14.Nxd5 Rad8 15.b4


Not so sure about a steady +/=. I think in the line you give, after 9...Rb8!? the position is rather equalish, while 9...Be6 is a tad cooperative from Black. Richard Palliser (in his "Beating unusual chess openings") makes a reasonable case for the Black side of this variation (though with a more precise move order than 1...e5/ 2...c5 which is rather inflexible). I do agree that it is easier to play white in these positions. 

I think the best way for white to counter this move order is: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.a3! and now 5...Bg7 is answered with 6.b4!, while 5...a5 is somewhat of a concession from Black, as he would normally be ready to commit ...a5 only after White has played both a3 and Rb1.
  
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Re: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5
Reply #1 - 07/25/08 at 10:44:53
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Obviously there i a gaping hole on d5 and the knight is already there to jump in - looks like steady += already

sample:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 g6 5.d3 d6 6.e3 Bg7 7.Nge2 Nge7 8.O-O O-O 9.a3 Be6 10.Nd5 Qd7 11.Nec3 Bh3 12.Bxh3 Qxh3 13.Rb1 Nxd5 14.Nxd5 Rad8 15.b4

  
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1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5
07/25/08 at 09:34:29
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How can I as white make use of this opening by black?
Or is it only possible to transpose to the symmetrical english where I have allowed black to play ... e5?
  
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