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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #16 - 09/25/08 at 17:24:33
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kylemeister wrote on 09/24/08 at 16:05:30:
I'm guessing that Black should play 11...Be6 there (which of course at least cedes the Bishops)


After 11...Be6, I see nothing resembling a White edge.  Do you?  Maybe White can try 11.Qe2 (instead of Bg5)--then 11...Be6 12.Ne5 and perhaps Black shouldn't castle because of Nxf7?
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #15 - 09/24/08 at 22:52:41
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kylemeister wrote on 09/24/08 at 16:05:30:
I'm guessing that Black should play 11...Be6 there (which of course at least cedes the Bishops) rather than 11...f6 12. Qe2 (reminiscent of that line in the Giuoco Piano, but without the sac).  I notice that a few GM-types preferred 8...Be7 to 8...e4, but they didn't fare very well.  


Yeah, and I don't think Black has achieved equality, even then.  I have no record of it having been played, but I wonder if 8...Bf5 is any good.  After 9.dxe5, Black can choose between 9...Ne4 and 9...Nh5!?.
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #14 - 09/24/08 at 16:05:30
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I'm guessing that Black should play 11...Be6 there (which of course at least cedes the Bishops) rather than 11...f6 12. Qe2 (reminiscent of that line in the Giuoco Piano, but without the sac).  I notice that a few GM-types preferred 8...Be7 to 8...e4, but they didn't fare very well.
  
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #13 - 09/24/08 at 14:30:28
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I suppose you mean 8.Nbd2 e4 9.Nxe4 Nxe4 10.Rxe4+ Be7. Doesn't Black have some problems with his development after 11.Bg5 ?
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #12 - 09/24/08 at 13:53:48
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/23/08 at 22:18:16:
Anonymous2 wrote on 08/02/08 at 08:46:03:
browniesbane wrote on 08/02/08 at 05:25:52:
Agreed, but what should be the move order? Is the Berlin order (3..Nf6, 4 o-o..Ne4, 5 d4..a6) now in disrepute?

As for the author, well, I may get flamed for this, but Marin's done a lot of work on the open in cbm (and Berlin varients too.) I was disappointed his book on the Spanish didn't adopt the Open.

Turning to the tradtional move order, I know the Re1 line (in place of d4) doesn't scare the stronger players, but the rest of us could use some more guidance on how to handle that line than we have seen in earlier books.



The move order should not make a huge difference, since the starting position for the analyses of the book would probably be after 5...Ne4.

As for the Re1 line, I assume that John Cox covered this variation in his repertoire book "Play the Berlin Wall" for Quality Chess.

P.S: Perhaps a Starting Out book on Black's alternatives to 5...Be7 (after 4...Nf6 5.0-0) could be written rather than a book only on the Open Ruy, since that way there could be coverage of the Archangelsk (5...b5 6.Bb3 Bc5), which has not been covered by books in some years, and the book may also interest more Ruy Lopez devotees in this way.


The move order matters because after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 a6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. Re1 Nf6
8. Nbd2 white is just better.


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Black's idea after 7...Nf6 is that if White fails to capture on e5, he just plays ...e4, which leaves White with a d-pawn, not an e-pawn, and Black with his two bishops and no special worries.

So, just looking at this in my head, after 9.Nbd2 I would play 9...e4 and be happy.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anything immediate for White after 9.Nbd2 e4 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5+ Be7.  Indeed I would probably rather have the bishops.
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #11 - 09/23/08 at 22:18:16
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Anonymous2 wrote on 08/02/08 at 08:46:03:
browniesbane wrote on 08/02/08 at 05:25:52:
Agreed, but what should be the move order? Is the Berlin order (3..Nf6, 4 o-o..Ne4, 5 d4..a6) now in disrepute?

As for the author, well, I may get flamed for this, but Marin's done a lot of work on the open in cbm (and Berlin varients too.) I was disappointed his book on the Spanish didn't adopt the Open.

Turning to the tradtional move order, I know the Re1 line (in place of d4) doesn't scare the stronger players, but the rest of us could use some more guidance on how to handle that line than we have seen in earlier books.



The move order should not make a huge difference, since the starting position for the analyses of the book would probably be after 5...Ne4.

As for the Re1 line, I assume that John Cox covered this variation in his repertoire book "Play the Berlin Wall" for Quality Chess.

P.S: Perhaps a Starting Out book on Black's alternatives to 5...Be7 (after 4...Nf6 5.0-0) could be written rather than a book only on the Open Ruy, since that way there could be coverage of the Archangelsk (5...b5 6.Bb3 Bc5), which has not been covered by books in some years, and the book may also interest more Ruy Lopez devotees in this way.


The move order matters because after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 a6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. Re1 Nf6
8. Nbd2 white is just better.
  
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #10 - 09/16/08 at 13:58:53
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Alias wrote on 09/15/08 at 19:01:33:
Markovich wrote on 09/15/08 at 18:09:37:
BlkSabb wrote on 09/15/08 at 12:24:07:
I would love to see Marin do a book on the Open Ruy Lopez.


I doubt that he is an expert on it.  A key virtue of his books is that they give you a practitioner's insights.  Applied to just any subject, that won't work.


He has played it from the 80's up to 2008 and written articles in NiC yb about it.


I stand corrected.
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #9 - 09/15/08 at 19:01:33
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Markovich wrote on 09/15/08 at 18:09:37:
BlkSabb wrote on 09/15/08 at 12:24:07:
I would love to see Marin do a book on the Open Ruy Lopez.


I doubt that he is an expert on it.  A key virtue of his books is that they give you a practitioner's insights.  Applied to just any subject, that won't work.


He has played it from the 80's up to 2008 and written articles in NiC yb about it.
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #8 - 09/15/08 at 18:09:37
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BlkSabb wrote on 09/15/08 at 12:24:07:
I would love to see Marin do a book on the Open Ruy Lopez.


I doubt that he is an expert on it.  A key virtue of his books is that they give you a practitioner's insights.  Applied to just any subject, that won't work.
  

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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #7 - 09/15/08 at 12:24:07
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I would love to see Marin do a book on the Open Ruy Lopez.
  
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #6 - 08/17/08 at 18:06:41
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Oh Neuronet, you are so right. But, just to take  a small issue, this malady may not be totally related to patzers, unless you count 2160, former masters as a patzer-thats who last played Re1 against me OTB.

You might get some flack the resulting positions being nothing to worry about since black gets the 2 b, but for some of us its not that easy.

By the it recently occured to me that the Berlin move order ( 5..a6) avoids this line as well as the exchange, although there are a different set of Re1 lines there too.
  
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #5 - 08/17/08 at 15:39:58
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If it's a starting out book, that would be great. Then the author would be justified in taking more than one paragraph (as is done in all other books on the Open Ruy) to discuss the variation that is seen in 90% of games at the patzer level:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 OO Nxe4 6. Re1

Andrew Greet would be perfect for the task, as he wrote the best opening book on the market right now. He is adept at taking seriously lines that other authors ignore (because they are copying the thin analysis of authors before them).
  
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #4 - 08/02/08 at 08:46:03
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browniesbane wrote on 08/02/08 at 05:25:52:
Agreed, but what should be the move order? Is the Berlin order (3..Nf6, 4 o-o..Ne4, 5 d4..a6) now in disrepute?

As for the author, well, I may get flamed for this, but Marin's done a lot of work on the open in cbm (and Berlin varients too.) I was disappointed his book on the Spanish didn't adopt the Open.

Turning to the tradtional move order, I know the Re1 line (in place of d4) doesn't scare the stronger players, but the rest of us could use some more guidance on how to handle that line than we have seen in earlier books.



The move order should not make a huge difference, since the starting position for the analyses of the book would probably be after 5...Ne4.

As for the Re1 line, I assume that John Cox covered this variation in his repertoire book "Play the Berlin Wall" for Quality Chess.

P.S: Perhaps a Starting Out book on Black's alternatives to 5...Be7 (after 4...Nf6 5.0-0) could be written rather than a book only on the Open Ruy, since that way there could be coverage of the Archangelsk (5...b5 6.Bb3 Bc5), which has not been covered by books in some years, and the book may also interest more Ruy Lopez devotees in this way.
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Re: New Open Ruy Lopez Book?
Reply #3 - 08/02/08 at 05:25:52
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Agreed, but what should be the move order? Is the Berlin order (3..Nf6, 4 o-o..Ne4, 5 d4..a6) now in disrepute?

As for the author, well, I may get flamed for this, but Marin's done a lot of work on the open in cbm (and Berlin varients too.) I was disappointed his book on the Spanish didn't adopt the Open.

Turning to the tradtional move order, I know the Re1 line (in place of d4) doesn't scare the stronger players, but the rest of us could use some more guidance on how to handle that line than we have seen in earlier books.

  
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Reply #2 - 07/31/08 at 15:36:21
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Starting Out: The Open Ruy Lopez is another good idea. They already have Starting Out: The Ruy Lopez  but I don't see why a starting out volume on the Open Ruy can't be done. They have Starting Out: the Sicilian but now they are coming out with a lot of Starting Out volumes on the main lines of the Sicilian. For example, they have Start Out: The Najdorf and Starting Out: Sicilian Sveshnikov. Doing a Starting Out volume on one of the main lines of the Ruy Lopez makes sense.
  
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