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Reply #10 - 08/03/08 at 16:30:27
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Also found on other game feautering the old mainline e6

[Event "15th ORDIX Rapid Open"]
[Site "Mainz/Germany"]
[Date "2008.08.03"]
[Round "10"]
[White "GM Nakamura, Hikaru(USA)"]
[Black "Polzin, R. (7)."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B76"]
[WhiteElo "2697"]
[PlyCount "142"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e6 11. h4 Qc7 12. h5 Nxh5 13. exd5 exd5 14. Ndb5 Qg3
15. Nxd5 Qxe1 16. Rxe1 Ng3 17. Rh4 Nf5 18. Rh2 Nxe3 19. Rxe3 Bd7 20. Bc4 Ne5
21. Be2 Bxb5 22. Bxb5 Rfd8 23. Nc3 h5 24. Kb1 a6 25. Be2 Rac8 26. Rh4 Nc6 27.
a3 Nd4 28. Bd3 b5 29. g4 hxg4 30. fxg4 a5 31. Be4 Rc5 32. Bd3 b4 33. Na4 Rc6
34. axb4 axb4 35. Rh1 Ra8 36. b3 Rd6 37. Bc4 Nc6 38. Rhe1 Kf8 39. Bb5 Bf6 40.
Rf1 Ra5 41. Bxc6 Rxc6 42. Re4 Bc3 43. Rf3 Kg7 44. Kc1 Rb5 45. Nxc3 bxc3 46. Re7
Rf6 47. Rxc3 Rf4 48. Rg3 Kf6 49. Re1 Kg5 50. Reg1 Re5 51. Kb2 Ree4 52. c4 Rxg4
53. Kc3 f5 54. c5 Rxg3+ 55. Rxg3+ Kf6 56. b4 f4 57. Rd3 g5 58. c6 Re8 59. b5 g4
60. c7 g3 61. Rd8 Re3+ 62. Kb4 Re4+ 63. Ka5 Rc4 64. b6 g2 65. Rg8 f3 66. b7 f2
67. c8=Q f1=Q 68. Qd8+ Ke6 69. Rg6+ Kf5 70. Qg5+ Ke4 71. Qxg2+ Ke5 {
White wins 1-0} 1-0

  
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Reply #9 - 08/03/08 at 16:06:43
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Here is an interesting game. White won but there are improvments.

[Event "FIDE Grand Prix 2008/09"]
[Site "Sochi/Russia"]
[Date "2008.08.03"]
[Round "4"]
[White "GM Svidler, Peter(RUS)"]
[Black "GM Radjabov, Teimour(AZE)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B76"]
[WhiteElo "2738"]
[BlackElo "2744"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7
15. Bc5 Rfd8 16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Rd4 18. Bxd4 exd4 19. Qb4 d3 20. Bxe6 Ne2+ 21.
Kb1 Rb8 22. Bxf7+ Kh8 23. Qxb8+ Qxb8 24. c3 Nxc3+ 25. Nxc3 Bxc3 26. Bb3 Bf6 27.
Rxd3 Qe5 28. Rd2 Qe3 29. Rhd1 Qxf3 30. Rd7 Qe4+ 31. Bc2 Qb4 32. Bb3 Qe4+ 33.
Ka1 Qg2 34. R1d2 Qxg4 35. a3 a5 36. Rb7 a4 37. Rdd7 Qg1+ 38. Bd1 Qxh2 39. Rdc7
Bd8 40. Rc8 Qd2 41. Bc2 {White wins 1-0} 1-0

  
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Reply #8 - 08/02/08 at 16:50:37
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I never quite grew used to such "crappy pawn structures," which might help explain why in my Dragon-playing days I played mostly 9...Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6 ...

  
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Reply #7 - 08/02/08 at 16:12:20
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I think it's mainly a matter of taste. Dragon players grow used to crappy pawn structures! It looks as playable to me as anything Black gets in the Dragon or acc. Dragon. Technically White may be a bit superior but it's not easy to convert such an advantage.
  
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Reply #6 - 08/01/08 at 20:35:25
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It was considered += in ECO, NCO (section written by Gallagher), Tiviakov's B75/76 monograph and Modern Chess Opening Encyclopedia (section written by Gennadi Nesis).  I notice that MCO (section presumably by Nick de Firmian) calls it equal.
  
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Reply #5 - 08/01/08 at 20:25:20
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I do not know what your sourches are, I took some sample lines from memory and Rybka assesments. Most books that I read has considered it to be equal expets from Beating the sicilian 3 of course Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - 08/01/08 at 17:24:19
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That "totally equal" position is considered by several sources to be slightly better for White.
  
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Re: How does black get a good game after...
Reply #3 - 08/01/08 at 16:07:15
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Maybee considered equal since the position is equal Smiley.With correct play niether player has any advantage.

Some sample lines

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4
Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5 11. Nxc6
bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 (13. Bc5 Bh6+ 14. Kb1 Nxc3+ 15. bxc3 (15. Qxc3 Qxd1#
) 15... Qa5 {is good for black}) 13... Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7 15. Bc5 Rfd8 16. g4 (16.
Ng5 Bh6 17. Qh4 Kg7 {is good for black}) (16. h4 Nf4 17. Bxe6 Rxd1+ 18. Qxd1
Nxe6) 16... Nf4 17. Bxe6 (17. Bd6 Rxd6 18. Nxd6 Bd5 {is winning for black})
17... Nxe6 18. Bd6 Qb6 {is totally equal}

  
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Reply #2 - 08/01/08 at 13:41:52
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Thanks a lot for that information Bragesjo. I have only played the dragon like five times or something and I have met this move more than once. But exactly why would you say black is equal after 15.Rfd8?
  
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Re: How does black get a good game after...
Reply #1 - 08/01/08 at 09:29:51
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I have meet this lots on times on the internet and after this simply seqvens

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4
Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5 11. Nxc6
bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7 15. Bc5 Rfd8 *

black is at least equal. Even the 9 0-0-0 d5 pessemistic Andrew Martin concludes in Starting out the Sicilian Dragon that black has no problems here at all. The funny thing about Qe1 is that it was recommended by Nunn and Gallagher in the old Beating the Sicilian 3.
  
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How does black get a good game after...
08/01/08 at 08:48:09
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Why isn't 10.Qe1 after 9...d5 played more often by white? It seems pretty logical to me.

How should black play principally after this move
and what are some important games in this variation?

1. e4 c5   2. Nf3 d6   3. d4 cxd4   4. Nxd4 Nf6   5. Nc3 g6   6. Be3 Bg7   7. f3 O-O   8. Qd2 Nc6   9. O-O-O d5   10. Qe1

Thanks!
  
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