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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #8 - 08/11/08 at 10:04:25
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In what way does 9.Kh1 make such a difference against this black setup compared to playing 9.Be3?


According to my knowledge 9.Be3 b6 is not so good for black, white has one extra move compared to the variation 9.Kh1 b6.
So the difference between 9.Kh1 and 9.Be3 is clear:
In the one variation black places his bishop on b7 and in the other variation on e6. Thats a big difference, isnt it ?  Smiley

I remember there is this g4-g5 idea in the Kh1 variation, but I cannot recall much there. I think you have to do a simple database search Smiley
Anyway, thats not an agressiv idea here. Of course the positions arising after 6.Be2 e5 are in most cases very strategically (not much tactics).
  
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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #7 - 08/06/08 at 12:55:24
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Strategy_Rules wrote on 08/05/08 at 14:02:42:
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Hmm but in the 9.Kh1 line blacks most successful and common setup is 9...b6 10.Be3 Bb7 11.a4 and you could perhaps say this contradicts a little bit what you said


But b6,Bb7,Nbd7 is not the most successful plan against 9.Be3,a4 and so on. So the idea to play Be3/a4 after 9.Kh1 Nbd7/b6 is very logical. If the variation 9.Kh1 gives an opening advantage or not is another question of course (because the b6,Bb7-system is not bad against 9.Kh1).

I should add that in some games of the 9.Kh1 variation the plan g4-g5 was tried in order to get more control over the important d5 square.
Thats actually a newer approach in this variation, so Im not really familiar with it.


b6,Bb7 plan against 9.Kh1 is clearly the most difficult task for white if he wants to win. In what way does 9.Kh1 make such a difference against this black setup compared to playing 9.Be3?

I didn't see any games with this g4-g5 plan but it seems logical if it is practically possible to execute. Do you know of the name of any games with this?

Any other suggestions of how white can actively play to win in this variation? To me it seems difficult to do very much with it, even against someone a lot lower rated.
  
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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #6 - 08/05/08 at 14:02:42
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Hmm but in the 9.Kh1 line blacks most successful and common setup is 9...b6 10.Be3 Bb7 11.a4 and you could perhaps say this contradicts a little bit what you said


But b6,Bb7,Nbd7 is not the most successful plan against 9.Be3,a4 and so on. So the idea to play Be3/a4 after 9.Kh1 Nbd7/b6 is very logical. If the variation 9.Kh1 gives an opening advantage or not is another question of course (because the b6,Bb7-system is not bad against 9.Kh1).

I should add that in some games of the 9.Kh1 variation the plan g4-g5 was tried in order to get more control over the important d5 square.
Thats actually a newer approach in this variation, so Im not really familiar with it.
  
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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #5 - 08/05/08 at 13:42:22
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chk wrote on 08/05/08 at 09:41:21:
Interesting game - it seems as if White & Black are both running out of moves in this variation!

Anyway, what I did not like was De Firmian's Ng4 idea as it gave away the d5-square and ultimately the light-squared Bishop. Kasparov then managed to end up with the better minor pieces. Maybe a manoeuvre like 17. ... Rfe8 and Bf8 was more elastic? - food for thought..

(mind you De Firmian has some excellent games with the Black side of the Najdorf)


I agree with chk both sides were running out of concrete plans. Was 16.Nxc5 really necessary. At first glance I don't like this move since it equalises the pawn structure and I can not see white has any advantage in that position.
  
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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #4 - 08/05/08 at 09:41:21
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Interesting game - it seems as if White & Black are both running out of moves in this variation!

Anyway, what I did not like was De Firmian's Ng4 idea as it gave away the d5-square and ultimately the light-squared Bishop. Kasparov then managed to end up with the better minor pieces. Maybe a manoeuvre like 17. ... Rfe8 and Bf8 was more elastic? - food for thought..

(mind you De Firmian has some excellent games with the Black side of the Najdorf)
  

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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #3 - 08/05/08 at 08:07:35
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Here's an idea.
[Event "PCA/Intel-GP"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1995.06.??"]
[White "Kasparov,Garry"]
[Black "De Firmian,Nick E"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Kh1 Nbd7 10.a4 b6 11.f3 Bb7 12.Be3 Qc7 13.Rf2 Rad8 14.Bf1 Nc5 15.Rd2 h6 16.Nxc5 dxc5 17.Bc4 Nh5 18.Nd5 Bxd5 19.Rxd5 Bg5 20.Bg1 Nf4 21.Rxd8 Rxd8 22.Qe1 a5 23.Rd1 Kf8 24.Bf2 Rd6 25.h4 Be7 26.Rxd6 Qxd6 27.g3 Ne6 28.c3 g5 29.h5 g4 30.fxg4 Bg5 31.Kg2 Ke7 32.Qe2 Qd2 33.Qxd2 Bxd2 34.Bxe6 Kxe6 35.Kf3 Kd6 36.Ke2 Bc1 37.Kd3 Kc6 38.Be1 Bg5 39.Kc4 Be3 40.b4 cxb4 41.cxb4 axb4 42.Bxb4 Bc1 43.Bf8 Bg5 44.Bg7 f6 45.Bh8 Kd6 46.Kb5 Kc7 47.Bg7 Kb7 48.Bf8 Kc7 49.Be7 Kd7 50.Bb4 Be3 51.g5 fxg5 52.g4 Ke6 53.Kc6 Bd4 54.Bd6  1-0
  

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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #2 - 08/04/08 at 17:14:11
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Hmm but in the 9.Kh1 line blacks most successful and common setup is 9...b6 10.Be3 Bb7 11.a4 and you could perhaps say this contradicts a little bit what you said, unless Kh1 move makes the difference somehow. Anyhow I'm confused  Cheesy although I'm pretty sure you know what you're talking about. Perhaps you could explain further what you mean if you don't mind.
  
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Re: Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
Reply #1 - 08/04/08 at 14:08:22
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Nbd7 was obviously played because your opponent expected that you will play f4 in the next move. After Nbd7 a4 looks natural, because in the a4/Be3 line (instead of Kh1) black's bishop should be placed on e6 and black's knight on d7.
  
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Can not find a reference to Najdorf move
08/04/08 at 11:50:10
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I saw a thread on these forums advocating this line and I decided to try it out:

1. e4 c5   2. Nf3 d6   3. d4 cxd4   4. Nxd4 Nf6   5. Nc3 a6   6. Be2 e5   7. Nb3 Be7   8. O-O O-O   9. Kh1

My opponent however played a rare move 9...Nbd7 and I thought for a long time and played 10.f4 Still, after this move I felt something was wrong. What do you people thinkg about my move and for what reasons do you think I should considering another move like 10.a4 or 10.Be3?

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