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Re: g3 line.
Reply #6 - 09/17/08 at 03:32:23
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Might be a case of indecision or just wanting to stay flexible.  It looks a bit mysterious to me, but one thought is that ...h6 looks pretty much useless in the KID position, while in the position with d3 it serves to prevent Nh4, f4 and recapturing with a piece.
  
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Re: g3 line.
Reply #5 - 09/17/08 at 02:50:11
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What I think about games like this is that my chess-IQ must be far below average. In my simple mind 12.d4 is just a loss of tempo. As Aronian clearly understands a lot more of chess than I, I immediately begin to suspect that there is some subtle positional thinking behind this loss of tempo, which I simply am too stupid to grasp. Fortunately for my self-esteem Aronian lost, otherwise I would have been even more at a loss.
Having no choice but using my own brain I maintain that 9.d3 was not White's best move and that 11.d4 admits it. Now I only can wait for someone to explain me how dumb I am.
  
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Re: g3 line.
Reply #4 - 09/16/08 at 23:29:18
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What do you guys think about this game?  I'm not sure why Aronian played d3 and then d4, but he was abke to steer the game into a more traditional KID position.  This was due in large part to the 1. Nf3 move order.   

[Event "Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final"]
[Site "Bilbao ESP"]
[Date "2008.09.13"]
[EventDate "2008.09.02"]
[Round "10"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "L Aronian"]
[Black "T Radjabov"]
[ECO "A15"]
[WhiteElo "2737"]
[BlackElo "2744"]
[PlyCount "98"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 c6 6. e4 d6 7. h3 e5 8. O-O Nbd7 9. d3 Re8 10. Rb1 h6 11. Be3 a5 12. d4 exd4 13. Nxd4 Nc5 14. Qc2 a4 15. Rfe1 Nfd7 16. f4 Qa5 17. Bf2 Qb4 18. Bf1 Nb6 19. Red1 Nbd7 20. Re1 Nb6 21. Red1 Nbd7 22. Kh2 Nf6 23. Re1 Bd7 24. b3 axb3 25. axb3 Nh5 26. Red1 f5 27. Bg2 Bf6 28. Nde2 fxe4 29. Be1 Nd3 30. Nxe4 Nxe1 31. Rxe1 Bf5 32. g4 Bxe4 33. Bxe4 Ng7 34. Bxg6 Re3 35. Rg1 Ra3 36. Rg3 Re7 37. Rg2 Re3 38. Bh7+ Kf7 39. Qg6+ Ke7 40. Bg8 Ne8 41. Ng3 Kd8 42. Qxh6 Qc3 43. Nf5 Rf3 44. Re2
Qd3 45. Reb2 Bxb2 46. Rxb2 Ra1 47. Qh4+ Kc8 48. Rg2 Qd1 49. Ng3 Rf2 0-1
  
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Re: g3 line.
Reply #3 - 08/18/08 at 16:25:51
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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Nf3 0-0(!)

Black hold's White in the dark, may he play a KID, Grunfeld or a Slav-Grunfeld? If 4 ... d6 5. g3 you are on the right track!

Now Wjite must make a commitment. Either play 5. g3 which allows all 3 of the mentioned structures or play 5. e4 with a Classical KID or Grunfeld. Don't play g3 after you have played e4, that's suboptimal as kylemeister shows.
  
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Re: g3 line.
Reply #2 - 08/14/08 at 03:03:29
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I'd say that 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0 6.Nf3 d6 7.g3 Bg4 and 6. g3 d6 7. Bg2 c5 are both "more than Black deserves."  Indeed the Gruenfeld (or Neo-Gruenfeld) is basically unavoidable.
  
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Re: g3 line.
Reply #1 - 08/14/08 at 01:47:33
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Avoiding the Benoni is not that hard - just refuse to play d4-d5: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 c5 5.Nf3. You will get a variation of the Symmetrical English: 1.c4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 and 6.d4. If Black plays ...Nc6 White can play d4-d5 now, transposing to a mainline of the g3-variation.

Avoiding the Grünfeld is harder. You must play g2-g3 after Black's ...d7-d6, eg 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0 6.Nf3 (maybe 6.g3 first) d6. IIrc 7.g3 Bg4 is satisfactory for Black, but you might check this.
  
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g3 line.
08/13/08 at 11:22:53
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Recently, i have been considering playing the g3 line in the kings indian. Altough, i have the problem that many of my opponents deviate to a benoni/grunfeld? Is there some lame move order trick so i can avoid this? Or do i need to learn another chunk of theory?
  
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