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Reply #8 - 08/25/08 at 05:52:21
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I also think that it is very handy to have some surprise weapons in addition to one's usual opening repertoire, particularly as Black. The most effective surprise weapons are those which don't have a large body of theory, but are tricky and still contain some venom, particularly if the opponent is unprepared.

Some examples: 

The 3...Qd6 Scandinavian is nowadays slightly too theoretical to be a surprise weapon, but it can be a very effective back-up if one is willing to learn the theory. 

The repertoire advocated in "Tiger's Modern" is quite a good surprise weapon, mainly because it forces White to rely on his own resources in the early opening, but again to play it successfully one has to put in quite a bit of effort to understand the often unusual positions.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 (which is covered in this forum) is another good line, since it is solid yet tricky, although I wouldn't recommend this as a main defence to 1.d4. 

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4!? is an excellent surprise weapon, particularly for advocates of the Nimzo/Bogo, and does not have any direct refutation. 

Finally, King's Indian players can consider the setup with 4...0-0 and 5...c6!?, which was analysed in Yearbook 64. Even very strong players are sometimes thrown by the positions which arise from the variation, since the structures are not like those in the King's Indian. Note, however, that against the Fianchetto variation this will transpose to a type of Grunfeld Slav.

As shown above, I don't think it is all that difficult to find good surprise weapons to add to one's armoury, although I do believe that in order for them to be effective, the person playing them still has to understand them.
  
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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #7 - 08/24/08 at 23:12:46
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MNb wrote on 08/24/08 at 14:56:06:
My approach always has been more relaxed. Being a curious guy I hit upon some interesting idea quite often I would like to play one time or another.


I agree! For this reason, I take the approach of often trying my ideas in correspondence, blitz or opening thematics. I just want to see how it plays. In the same regard, I have been widely broadening my openings because the more middle games I see the better idea I have for plans that can cross pollinate to other openings middle games. You'd be suprised how wildly different openings can have middlegames with only slight tiny differences. The plan might have been obvious in one (and not the other) but usuable in both. It has really helped me as grow as a chess player to play the very lines that give my mainline problems. This helps me see the other pov as I delve deeply into what problems and things I might be missing when I face this line. 

I also have some special lines that provide extra risk/winning chances when the time is right. If I think my opponent is unprepared, weaker etc then I can go all out.
  
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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #6 - 08/24/08 at 21:27:24
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slates wrote on 08/24/08 at 20:34:11:


I was surprised to read this; am I right in understanding this to mean that you now play the QGD as your first choice over the IZ, or is it the other way around?

The other way round, for the time being.

slates wrote on 08/24/08 at 20:34:11:

After you introduced me, indirectly, to the IZ through this forum I really expected you to stay with it for......well, almost forever! 

In more than 25 years I have been faithfull only to one opening (not the IZ) and even here not 100%.

slates wrote on 08/24/08 at 20:34:11:

 I still play it in blitz but I go back to the QGD which I knew before the IZ when I need to play more solidly.  I keep looking for something else (Slav, QGA etc) to fill the gap but nothing is as exciting as the IZ, even though I suffer many bad defeats in it.  Smiley

Perhaps life is just too short for me to worry about being more solid. So I suppose I can say that I have tried to broaden my opening repertoire and have not entirely succeeded.  But the experience has been interesting.

You never know what will happen in say 2010. If you need or want to make the IZ your first choice, how much time will it take you? So the IZ is a backup for you.
  

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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #5 - 08/24/08 at 20:34:11
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Last year I had lost confidence in my beloved Iljin-Zjenevsky. I turned to the QGD orthodox with ...h6 and ...dxc4 and ...a6. I haven't got the chance to try it. As I have regained confidence in the IZ it will remain my backup. Last year it took and in the future it will take less than a week to upgrade it. That KID-system above is not even my third option btw. [/quote]

Mnb, 

I was surprised to read this; am I right in understanding this to mean that you now play the QGD as your first choice over the IZ, or is it the other way around? 

After you introduced me, indirectly, to the IZ through this forum I really expected you to stay with it for......well, almost forever!  I still play it in blitz but I go back to the QGD which I knew before the IZ when I need to play more solidly.  I keep looking for something else (Slav, QGA etc) to fill the gap but nothing is as exciting as the IZ, even though I suffer many bad defeats in it.  Smiley

Perhaps life is just too short for me to worry about being more solid. So I suppose I can say that I have tried to broaden my opening repertoire and have not entirely succeeded.  But the experience has been interesting.
  
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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #4 - 08/24/08 at 14:56:06
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 08/24/08 at 10:57:10:
I would say it's easier to add different variations to your existing lines.

I don't agree and I know from experience. In 25 years I have played the Scandinavian Marshall, the Ruy Lopez, the Alekhine, the Accelerated Dragon and the Classical French as Black plus a few minor tries (the Pirc really is not for me). Usually I am better prepared than my opponents. And guess what? Having a bad memory it is near to impossible for me to learn move sequences by heart!

ANONYMOUS3000 wrote on 08/24/08 at 01:12:56:
Botvinnik suggested that the average master should have 2-3 lines, well prepared, against each first move and a couple of different approaches with White. That's obviously going to be difficult for the average player to keep up with, but I would say some reserve options are imperative.


I agree that reserve options are imperative, but I disagree that the average amateur should study them as deeply as his main repertoire. My approach always has been more relaxed. Being a curious guy I hit upon some interesting idea quite often I would like to play one time or another.
For instance I like the orthodox KID (with ...Nd7) as well, but never tried it. I will keep it in my sleeve for the future. So first thing I notice is that White has four, maybe five main systems against the KID: the Classical, the Fianchetto, the Four Pawns and the Sämisch; maybe the Averbach. Forget the latter; I will focus on it when the time is ripe. Against the Sämisch Black has a wide choice, there must be something nice against it. The Four Pawns is very dangerous, but Black can change the type of play by transposing to the Volga. No need to delve yet.
So the Classical and the Fianchetto remain. Guess what? Black can use a transposition via the Old-Indian 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 Nd7 and 4...e5 (avoids the early exchange of queens; if that is not an objection 3...e5 is more precise). Subsequently Black can play ...g6, ...Bg7 and ...0-0. So I have spend some time to figure out some transpositional problems (there are only few) and how nice, a future repertoire against 1.d4 has taken shape. When necessary it will not take too much time to develop it to my main repertoire. I only need to keep an eye on critical lines and new developments. If these developments go to fast I drop the whole idea (that happened to the Perenyi Gambit in the Open Sicilian; around 1995 I was highly interested, now I find it too compicated).

Last year I had lost confidence in my beloved Iljin-Zjenevsky. I turned to the QGD orthodox with ...h6 and ...dxc4 and ...a6. I haven't got the chance to try it. As I have regained confidence in the IZ it will remain my backup. Last year it took and in the future it will take less than a week to upgrade it. That KID-system above is not even my third option btw.
  

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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #3 - 08/24/08 at 10:57:10
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I would say it's easier to add different variations to your existing lines. eg In the KID, if you play the main line classical e5 and nc6, you can add the na6 or nd7 lines, the latter which I believe is underated. Or if you play the main line dragon adding the accelerated dragon or dragadorf or even the chinese.

If your going to play something different it may seem sensible to play openings where pattern recognitiion is similar eg I think the Leningrad dutch isn't that far from a king's indian. Or on the white side, is the Evans Gambit and the Rb1 Grunfeld pawn sac that different (mobile centre)

It's also important to focus on the reason for broadening a repertoire- is this to have a back up line or is it more because your main line is in need of repair. If you don't attempt to repair your main play, you'll probably suffer in similar ways with your second line. That said, sometimes it's useful to play different openings as when you play them, you can often find out what lines you don't like to face and adopt them yourself.
  
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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #2 - 08/24/08 at 08:30:54
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Zatara wrote on 08/24/08 at 04:35:14:
Hi there,
1.  Broden your repertoire by: adding a system with in a system.  In other words if you play sicilian with d6 and play say Najdorf then like Kasparov you can add the Dragon as he did vs Anand.
2. A totally new system.  If you play Leningrad don;'t just add KID but play say Slav.
  
You can add a system just how you studied for your first one.  
1. pick 50 master games with each line and go over them quickly.  Yes 50 games and quickly
2. Study the pawn structure!!  Very important for KID for example...
3. Then memorize the variations after you learn the reasons for them.  Go over the variations till you memorize them.  
4. Have fun!!  Istn't that what chess is for?????
cheers,
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Thank you for the advice!

However, I am also wondering about what would be the best criteria for which variation to choose. For example, if you are looking for a second defence to 1.e4, then should you choose an opening that leads to similar types of games to your other defence (for example, both relatively tactical or relatively positional), choose a opening that complements your current repertoire (e.g. something sharp and something solid), or to play something a bit less theoretical (e.g. play 1...c6 instead of 1...e6 as a second defence)? 
  
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Re: Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
Reply #1 - 08/24/08 at 04:35:14
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Hi there,
1.  Broden your repertoire by: adding a system with in a system.  In other words if you play sicilian with d6 and play say Najdorf then like Kasparov you can add the Dragon as he did vs Anand.
2. A totally new system.  If you play Leningrad don;'t just add KID but play say Slav.
   
You can add a system just how you studied for your first one.   
1. pick 50 master games with each line and go over them quickly.  Yes 50 games and quickly
2. Study the pawn structure!!  Very important for KID for example...
3. Then memorize the variations after you learn the reasons for them.  Go over the variations till you memorize them.   
4. Have fun!!  Istn't that what chess is for?????
cheers,
Zatara
  
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Broadening One's Opening Repertoire
08/24/08 at 01:12:56
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Greetings,

I noticed that on the "Repertoire Suggestions" section of Chesspublishing.com, Andrew Martin gives the following advice:

"Have back-up openings to all your main lines. I remember Botvinnik suggested that the average master should have 2-3 lines, well prepared, against each first move and a couple of different approaches with White . That's obviously going to be difficult for the average player to keep up with, but I would say some reserve options are imperative."

What would be the best way to go about learning new variations to broaden one's opening repertoire?
  
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