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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #8 - 08/28/08 at 16:30:29
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1.Nf3, 2.c4, 3.g3.  I typically play 4.d4 here (after 1...Nf6 2...e6, 3...d5), but have been experimenting with following the Reti a few moves further first (4.Bg2, 5.0-0, etc.) in order to avoid a few of the Open Catalan lines...
  

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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #7 - 08/28/08 at 14:51:28
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HgMan wrote on 08/27/08 at 12:52:59:
Good advice all.  My question was prompted by a couple of interests.  First, that my success with Black seemed to indicate that I had found openings that suited me particularly well and whether there were any White corollaries that provided similar themes.  And, second, while my score with the Catalan is rather good, opponents have begun to avoid it (hence the work on the Reti).  More importantly, however, I have found myself playing a disproportionate number of games that stretch well past 50 moves.  That in itself is fine and I like grinding opponents down.  However, longer games in correspondence chess are particularly taxing on concentration and reduce the number of games I can play.  So, I'm not convinced that I want/need to change my repertoire with White, but rather inquiring about possible consistencies between White and Black repertoires.  And I'm well aware of different styles depending on which side of the board you play.  I used to be very aggressive with Black and very slow and positional with White (and, I guess, I still am)...


What is your preferred move order?
  

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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #6 - 08/28/08 at 11:32:20
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The French and to a lesser extent the Caro-Kann are good opening choices for players who like classical pawn structures and control of space in the middle of the board. Also, the plans are often fairly clear-cut and in most variations understanding the position is more important than the rote memorizing of variations.
  
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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #5 - 08/27/08 at 16:02:32
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White is White and Black is Black, so I will play much more aggresively as the former than as the latter.  As White you can play for a win out of the box, as Black you have to weasel around to get winning chances -- or hope for White to do something wrong. So I will play the KID as Black much more than the KIA as White, for example, and I will play the Sicilian much more than the English.
  

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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #4 - 08/27/08 at 12:52:59
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Good advice all.  My question was prompted by a couple of interests.  First, that my success with Black seemed to indicate that I had found openings that suited me particularly well and whether there were any White corollaries that provided similar themes.  And, second, while my score with the Catalan is rather good, opponents have begun to avoid it (hence the work on the Reti).  More importantly, however, I have found myself playing a disproportionate number of games that stretch well past 50 moves.  That in itself is fine and I like grinding opponents down.  However, longer games in correspondence chess are particularly taxing on concentration and reduce the number of games I can play.  So, I'm not convinced that I want/need to change my repertoire with White, but rather inquiring about possible consistencies between White and Black repertoires.  And I'm well aware of different styles depending on which side of the board you play.  I used to be very aggressive with Black and very slow and positional with White (and, I guess, I still am)...
  

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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #3 - 08/27/08 at 07:50:12
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Are you pleased with the positions you get from the Catalan? If yes then don't change and work on your catalan repertoire which is an opening that can serve you for years and you don't have to change it even if you become very very strong - it's a grandmaster opening
  
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Re: White Repertoire help
Reply #2 - 08/26/08 at 00:01:49
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Diverse styles as White and Black also applied to me in earlier days, but the difference gradually has disappeared.
When it comes to openings I am always pragmatic, notwithstanding my preference for gambit play. The obvious question is: does the Réti/Catalan repertoire still serve you well? Are your results satisfactory? If yes, no need the change.
But you might have a look now and then at a backup repertoire based on 1.e4. I am gonna ask you the same questions as in the past Alias and Alumbrado:
1. Against the Sicilian, Svesjnikov or Rossolimo? Involve 2...e6 into your considerations. Forget all other Anti-Sicilians; they are either a waste of time or (2.c3) ten times more drawish than the Catalan. The top 20 has grown suspicious on the Svesjnikov somewhat, but according the last update by IM Palliser Black seems OK.
2. The Najdorf or 3.Bb5+ ?
3. What to do against the Petrov?

If you have some spare time try to ask these questions for yourself. The luxury of us amateurs is that we can afford to spend years on subjects like this.

Regarding 1.d4 and 1.c4 I doubt if these moves would really change your style. In fact you only should consider them when you still want to play the Catalan but grow dissatisfied with independent options for Black after 1.Nf3 (not that I can think of any at the moment) or want to include some non-Nf3 stuff (like the KID-Sämisch).
  

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Reply #1 - 08/25/08 at 18:14:25
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I've performed with a TPR of around 200 elo points higher with black for quite a while now, and thus have issues with white, but...

One thing I remember from a old book (I think by Mednis) is about players who judged the game in such a way that they played differently with black and white.  Polugaevsky was cited as a player who believed white enjoyed a stable long term advantage, so as white would solidly trundle out things like 1 c4 and grind his opponent down. With black he wheeled out the sharper stuff (e.g. Najdorf) in an attempt to complicate and knock white off balance. (Tony Miles was another "solid, positional" with white player and "sharp, offbeat, chaotic" with black).

Someone else was cited as the other end of the scale - with white 1 e4 and all out attack to complicate as much as possible, with black play solidly to eliminate white's tempory advantage.

Perhaps you should also think about how your approach with both colours complement each other.  Another way of putting it, is that if you like certain types of position for one colour, shouldn't you avoid it with the other?

I particularly bring this up, since I would think that the Catalan/Reti approach is already different (rather than same, as you seem to imply?) to your black defences which feature classical, fairly fixed centres.  Trying a solid QG style centre against the catalan is usually at least a comfortable edge for white, while the more fluid open catalan gives black more play.  But saccing the c-pawn and looking to break in the centre with e4/d4, or get an ending where the open c & d files help you attack the weak a6&b5 pawns seem quite different to me.

Or, in other words, your white repertoire is geared to avoid the positions where you would want to be black?
  
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White Repertoire help
08/25/08 at 16:35:42
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I've always been rather dismissive of these kinds of questions in the past, but was hoping I might solicit some more specific help vis-a-vis revamping my repertoire with White.  Over the past several months, I have found myself working on, enjoying, and having some success with the Closed Ruy Lopez (Breyer) and the Queen's Gambit Declined (and Ragozin) as Black (with the occasional Nimzo-Indian).  It struck me that my preference with Black seemed to be geared towards classical openings that claim space in the middle of the board, though both the Breyer and (maybe a little less so) the Ragozin contain some hyper-modern principles as well.

So, my question: is there a consistent repertoire that I could develop with the White pieces?  Or, maybe I have it already: I have been playing the Catalan and the Reti (1.Nf3, 2.c4, 3.g3).  Stick with this?  Or are there bolder ways to play with White with 1.e4, 1.d4. or 1.c4 that might be more consistent with my Black play?  Thanks in advance...
  

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