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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #6 - 09/18/08 at 22:00:10
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Chess_Addict wrote on 09/17/08 at 13:35:32:


I don't have the Anand book, but i guess you mean the line: 

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qc7 7. Qg4 f5 8. Qg3 cxd4 9. cxd4 Ne7 10. Ne2 

Moskalenko gives 8..Nc6 as main line commenting: "Possiblly the best move order to avoid dangerous manouvers as Ns2-f4". Then in the notes he also gives a few games with 8...cxd4 but doesn't really cover 10.Ne2 as he only gives a game in which he blundered with 10...Kf7 11. c3 b6 12. Nf4 Ba6.

Btw I had looked for earlier posts before writing but couldn't find any, sorry!




I did a quick comparision of the Moskalenko and Khalifman chapters on 6...Qc7 just the other day to see if there was any hope for Black. It is really a shame that Moskalenko didn't have "Anand 7" in his bibliography, because the analysis there is deeper, even quoting several Moskalenko games! 

Iirc the Khalifman chapter had an improvement over a game Handke-Moskalenko, 2005, in the line with 8...Nc6 and 13.0-0 (Might have been 16.Qf4 to block the f-pawn). Some of the Khalifman "clear advantage" evaluations seem a bit exaggerated, but I would need a lot of independent analysis before I dare to play 6...Qc7 against strong masters.
  
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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #5 - 09/18/08 at 08:53:32
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Hello, I played this variation for about 4 years in my corr games. From about 15 games I scored 50% but my last games in this variation created me a lot of troubles, so I decided to leave that variation only as a surprise weapon. If you are interested you can check IECG and other corr. games archive and just search by position after 6...Qc7 7.Qg4 f5.
Ne2 indeed is the most unpleasant for White and Black experiences a lot of difficulties.
  
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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #4 - 09/17/08 at 20:57:48
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Chess_Addict wrote on 09/17/08 at 13:35:32:


Moskalenko gives 8..Nc6 as main line commenting: "Possiblly the best move order to avoid dangerous manouvers as Ne2-f4". 




Actually I'm not sure I've understood the point in what I quoted in the earlier post: what happens if white now plays Ne2-f4 ideas?
  
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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #3 - 09/17/08 at 15:13:06
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Well it was from at least a year ago and not in obvious place.

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1179569556/16#16
  
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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #2 - 09/17/08 at 13:35:32
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MarinFan wrote on 09/17/08 at 13:07:45:
Hello,

Somebody asked this a while back, unless the "Samurai" has got something that addresses what was recommended in the "According to Anand" series wouldn't recommend it. It is a line with Ne2 which is mentioned in passing in French 3, but sort of brushed over.
         The line has a nice positional aim of avoiding king-side being broken up, and getting rid of bad bishop with b6, Ba6, so could be tempted to try it again, if that line above could be matched up. If remember rightly, the French expert here Dom  mentioned a possible improvement, but it didn't look convicing to me, it was with a much higher rated player playing the black-side...



I don't have the Anand book, but i guess you mean the line: 

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qc7 7. Qg4 f5 8. Qg3 cxd4 9. cxd4 Ne7 10. Ne2 

Moskalenko gives 8..Nc6 as main line commenting: "Possiblly the best move order to avoid dangerous manouvers as Ns2-f4". Then in the notes he also gives a few games with 8...cxd4 but doesn't really cover 10.Ne2 as he only gives a game in which he blundered with 10...Kf7 11. c3 b6 12. Nf4 Ba6.

Btw I had looked for earlier posts before writing but couldn't find any, sorry!


  
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Re: Winawer 6...Qc7
Reply #1 - 09/17/08 at 13:07:45
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Hello,

Somebody asked this a while back, unless the "Samurai" has got something that addresses what was recommended in the "According to Anand" series wouldn't recommend it. It is a line with Ne2 which is mentioned in passing in French 3, but sort of brushed over.
         The line has a nice positional aim of avoiding king-side being broken up, and getting rid of bad bishop with b6, Ba6, so could be tempted to try it again, if that line above could be matched up. If remember rightly, the French expert here Dom  mentioned a possible improvement, but it didn't look convicing to me, it was with a much higher rated player playing the black-side...
  
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C18: Winawer 6...Qc7
09/17/08 at 12:51:47
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Hi guys, i wanted to know if anybody here has any experience with the 6...Qc7 winawer (planning to play 7...f5 in reply to 7.Qg4). The variation is analised in detail in play the french 3 and is to be found as one of the "7 samurai swords" in Moskalenko's book.
On paper it does look tempting but I wanted to know the opinion of somebody who has actually played it.

Thanks in advance!
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