First of all about 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 5.e3 with an early Qf3 (not Bd3 quickly) is a little troublesome as i remember correctly....I'll post some analysis on this late

Secondly, what about 1.Nf3 f5 2.d3 d6 3.e4 e5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.exf5 Bxf5 6.d4 Nbd7 as given by Williams? I remember asking GM Halkias (who played a couple of times 2.d3)a couple of years ago his opinion about this position and said to me "not a big deal for white, propably equal!". Are there any new developments there? (i don't have access now to my trusty database!)

Back to my initial question after 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5 c6 4.e3 NCO, Palliser and Shipkov like White here but Williams claims equality for Black here after 4...Qb6 5.Rb1 Nd7 6.Bd3 g6 7.Nf3 Bg7 with the plan of Nh6 and Nf7 aiming at e5. Who is right? 

Kindermann's book generally is good but when he claims that 1.Nf3 f5 2.d3 Nc6 3.d4 e6 is bad for Black, he basically says that Black after 1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 wouldn't want to play 3...Nc6 if he was offered a free move.

This I find somewhat dubious and I want to see White's improvement on Roiz(2579) - Wojtaszek (2569), EU-ch playoff (Warsaw) 2005 which continued 4.c4 Nf6 5.g3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Qe7 7.Bg2 0-0 8.0-0 Bxd2 9.Qxd2 Ne4 10.Qe3 d6 11.d5 Nb4 12.Nd4 exd5 13.a3 Nc6 14.cxd5 Nxd4 15.Qxd4 Nc5 16.Qc4 a5 17.Nc3 a4 18.Rfe1 Qf7 19.Nb5 b6 20.Qf4  1/2.

After 5...Bb4+ Rybka evaluates the position as '-0.03' which seems reasonable (but if you find another program claiming '+0.11' I wouldn't bother to dispute that).

Actually, 1.Nf3 e6 doesn't require much knowledge about the French, as 2.e4 d5 is a rare and relatively harmless sideline which Black can prepare in an hour or so (but don't forget to have a look at 3.e5 c5 4.b4?!). In addition 2...c5 is an excellent move for those who play the 2...e6 Sicilian (including those who use this move-order to reach a Sveshnikov).

It should also be noted that 1.Nf3 d6 isn't only an option for Pirc players, but also for 2...d6 Sicilian players.

That being said, it's hard to see why 2.d3 should be such a terrifying move.

Yes, because they don't meet 1.e4 with the French or the Pirc. But that was not what Ametanoitos asked - his question was about 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3. And guess what - because of the options I prefer 1.d4 e6, inviting the French, which I also happen to play after 1.e4.

Don't you have Kindermann's books? He makes a quite good case for 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 - black is very solid here, with the usual Be6, Qd7, Nc6 set-up. Or have you found an effective set-up for white against that? 

Hello Chessfriends!

We expect some books offering us repertoire for the Black side on the Dutch defence starting with the move 1.d4 f5. For a long time i thought that this move order is inaccurate and if black wanted to play the stonewall or the classical dutch , he should start with 1...e6 or if he likes the Leningrand start with 1...g6 or 1...d6. The "problem" is that after 1.d4 f5 white has two good options 2.Bg5 and 2.Nc3.

For a long time i didn't bother to check the truth of this statement but the last weeks i tried to see if recent developments have made the move order 1...f5 viable again. I discovered that there was not a big problem anyway about 2.Bg5 because after 2...g6! followed by Nh6! and maybe Nf7, Black has a nice theory-free way to deal with this anti-dutch quite effectively indeed.
  Then i turned my attention to 2.Nc3 which was always my choice when i faced 1...f5 a couple of times recently. I had noticed some time ago that the slightly problematic (for White's point of view) position after 2...Nf6 3.Bg5 e6 4.e4 fxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 which i considered to be equal someday is not fully playable for Black after 6.Nxf6! Bxf6 7.h4 and not 6.Bxf6 which was the traditional reccomendation for years....So, Black almost always at the higher level plays 2...d5 which is considered good for equality.

I checked again Palliser's analysis in his book "Play 1.d4!" in which reccomends 2...d5 3.Bf4 Nf6 4.e3 but doesn't mention the idea 4...c6 5.Bd3 e6 6.Nf3 Bd6! 7.Ne2 Ne4! which is given as equal in NCO and little analysis and research in the chessbase will convice you that this is truth. If not 7.Ne2 and say 7.O-O Black can again play Ne4 and O-O with b6-Bb7 or a5 and Ba6 with a sound and good game! So one problem remained...3.Bg5! I haven't so far found equality for Black after 3...h6,3...g6 or 3...c6 which are the usual reccomendations. I have tried this line against some good dutch players in my area and they aways suffer after 3...Nf6 4.Bxf6!

I'm looking forward for these books on the dutch and i'd like to see how they treat the position with Black after 2.Nc3 with the idea 2...d5 3.Bg5!. If anyone knows about a good solution to this problem i'd like very much to hear it!