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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #10 - 02/26/11 at 13:50:44
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #9 - 02/25/11 at 23:25:03
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WillT wrote on 02/25/11 at 19:36:54:
Markovich wrote on 02/19/11 at 13:48:47:
I am fairly sure that White's best way forward is 6.Bd3, and I've won a few nice games with that move followed by relatively conservative play and carefully prepared queenside expansion.

After 6...Na6 do you just play 7. Nf3 and transpose to the lines after 6. Nf3 and 7. Bd3, or are there good independent alternatives for white?

Markovich probably meant (6.Nf3 Na6) 7.Bd3.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #8 - 02/25/11 at 22:01:17
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belgian wrote on 02/20/11 at 05:48:11:
ghenghisclown wrote on 02/18/11 at 18:27:28:

Seems to be that after 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 Na6 7.Bd3 Bg4 8. Be3 and White is in good shape and shows good results.


Hmm. I was under the impression that Black's doing fine after 8. - c5 9. d5 e6 10. dxe6 Bxe6!


Moskalenko in Revolutionise your chess 8...c5 "?!" mentioning that it looks ridiculous after 6...Na6 - he has a point. He's also claiming += after 10 dxe6, and follows with 10...Bxe6 11 0-0 Ng4 12 Bc1 Bxc3?! 13 bxc3 f5 14 Ng5!, following a (formal, ECU championship) internet game he had with Golubev.

Just some more food for thought Smiley I haven't looked at this at all myself yet.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #7 - 02/25/11 at 19:36:54
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Markovich wrote on 02/19/11 at 13:48:47:
I am fairly sure that White's best way forward is 6.Bd3, and I've won a few nice games with that move followed by relatively conservative play and carefully prepared queenside expansion.

After 6...Na6 do you just play 7. Nf3 and transpose to the lines after 6. Nf3 and 7. Bd3, or are there good independent alternatives for white?
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #6 - 02/20/11 at 10:48:02
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Thanks for giving me food for thought Belgian! I think the position is less attractive than just playing it normally the old way. Having taken a look at your suggestion, I can't disagree with you objectively, however. Well at least I can't. Seems I'm being educated this week here on Chesspub, first MNb (on a Vienna move order issue) and now you  Angry - What's gone wrong with my brain?  Here are some mercifully short thoughts:

I don't think White can just play 9. d5 e6 10.h3 as 10...Bxf3 11.Qxf3 as Nb4 12. Bishop retreats and Re8 runs into some trouble. 

10. Castles seems equal to me, but a Benoni position seems to come out of that anyway.

10.dxe6 fxe6 I don't trust the positions that arise. Maybe thats subjective but the resulting game seems loose and crazy to me, as in Banikas- Spasov. 

OK, Black isn't worse in those lines or in the above mentioned game. Probably he also has an improvement (11.0-0 Nb4 12. Be2 Nh5 maybe). 

OK, but I haven't seen any games with Bxe6 so this could use some more elaboration. I don't think you have to go that far to make your point though.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #5 - 02/20/11 at 05:48:11
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ghenghisclown wrote on 02/18/11 at 18:27:28:

Seems to be that after 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 Na6 7.Bd3 Bg4 8. Be3 and White is in good shape and shows good results.


Hmm. I was under the impression that Black's doing fine after 8. - c5 9. d5 e6 10. dxe6 Bxe6!
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #4 - 02/19/11 at 21:26:09
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6.Bd3...interesting. Also interesting is dxe6... I see its been played by Simon Williams. Still, I'd rather face that face 6.Bd3 or 7.Bd3 after Na6.

I guess a lot of people who are more "positional" prefer Na6 rather than going into a Benoni, which is sharp and, as you say, theoretical.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #3 - 02/19/11 at 13:48:47
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ghenghisclown wrote on 02/18/11 at 18:27:28:
It also features in Bojkov's new DVD:

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/5918

But for the life of me I don't understand the appeal. Are the regular lines with c5 and e6 in trouble?

Seems to be that after 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 Na6 7.Bd3 Bg4 (maybe e5 here is an improvement, but I don't think so) 8. Be3 and White is in good shape and shows good results. 

I don't get it, why allow this when the older way scores well enough? Huh


One reason is that the reliable old path with 6...c5 and 9...Re8 requires a great deal of preparation, while one encounters the 4PA only rarely.  Further since it's very theoretical, this takes up a lot of space in repertoire books, much more than allegedly better systems like 6...Na6 and 9...Bg4.  So these systems, which are more problematic than the main line, wind up being promoted above their merit.

Further there is White's 6...c5 7.d5 e6 8.dxe6!? idea, which is not so easy to deal with.  So this again would favor 6...Na6 for inclusion in a repertoire book.

I have my doubts that 6...Na6 is actually as good as it's widely held to be.  I am fairly sure that White's best way forward is 6.Bd3, and I've won a few nice games with that move followed by relatively conservative play and carefully prepared queenside expansion.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #2 - 02/18/11 at 18:27:28
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It also features in Bojkov's new DVD:

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/5918

But for the life of me I don't understand the appeal. Are the regular lines with c5 and e6 in trouble?

Seems to be that after 5.f4 0-0 6.Nf3 Na6 7.Bd3 Bg4 (maybe e5 here is an improvement, but I don't think so) 8. Be3 and White is in good shape and shows good results. 

I don't get it, why allow this when the older way scores well enough? Huh
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
Reply #1 - 09/21/08 at 18:21:30
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I think so. This is the variation I always play OTB and have never had any serious problems. I also play the 4-pawns as White and have always regarded this one as my least favorite to play against. It was also featured pretty heavily in Golubev's Understanding the KID.
  
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Four Pawns Attack with ... Na6
09/21/08 at 17:59:44
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The variation 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 0-0 6. Nf3 Na6!? was very popular in the nineties after Kasparov's adoption of it. Is this still regarded as playable today?
  
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