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Reply #11 - 10/03/08 at 15:08:32
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drkodos wrote on 10/02/08 at 15:30:35:
ANDREW BRETT wrote on 10/01/08 at 17:48:41:
new in chess's latest yearbook looks at 5nc3 in detail - both be3/bf4 with black trying lines with bxa2 and also chukky's qf6 idea . hope that assists !



I'm a bit bummed that the Bxa2 cat is now out of the bag.  Scored a few points with that, and always enjoyed the look of bewilderment opponents had when they thought I was Hang-Fischering the Bishop.



If you don't mind (since the cat is already out of the bag!)

Could you please point me to a sample game which illustrates the successful execution of the Bxa2 idea?


  
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Reply #10 - 10/02/08 at 23:44:52
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drkodos wrote on 10/02/08 at 15:30:35:
I'm a bit bummed that the Bxa2 cat is now out of the bag.  Scored a few points with that, and always enjoyed the look of bewilderment opponents had when they thought I was Hang-Fischering the Bishop.


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Reply #9 - 10/02/08 at 15:32:28
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drkodos wrote on 10/02/08 at 15:30:35:
ANDREW BRETT wrote on 10/01/08 at 17:48:41:
new in chess's latest yearbook looks at 5nc3 in detail - both be3/bf4 with black trying lines with bxa2 and also chukky's qf6 idea . hope that assists !



I'm a bit bummed that the Bxa2 cat is now out of the bag.  Scored a few points with that, and always enjoyed the look of bewilderment opponents had when they thought I was Hang-Fischering the Bishop.


me too!!  Angry
  
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Reply #8 - 10/02/08 at 15:30:35
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 10/01/08 at 17:48:41:
new in chess's latest yearbook looks at 5nc3 in detail - both be3/bf4 with black trying lines with bxa2 and also chukky's qf6 idea . hope that assists !



I'm a bit bummed that the Bxa2 cat is now out of the bag.  Scored a few points with that, and always enjoyed the look of bewilderment opponents had when they thought I was Hang-Fischering the Bishop.

  

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new in chess's latest yearbook looks at 5nc3 in detail - both be3/bf4 with black trying lines with bxa2 and also chukky's qf6 idea . hope that assists !
  
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Reply #6 - 09/30/08 at 13:19:23
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I accidently saw the following game from the world computer chess championship 2008:

Rybka - The Baron
1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nc4 Nxe4 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.bxc3 g6 7.d4 Bg7 8.Bd3 o-o
9.o-o Nc6 10.Qf3 Re8 11.Bf4 Bd7 12.Ne3 Na5 13.Qg3 Bc6 14.h4 Be4 15.h5 Qd7 16.Rae1 Qc6
17.h6 Bxd3 18.cxd3 Bf6 19.c4 Bxd4 20.Nd5 Rxe1 21.Rxe1 Qc5 22.Re7 Nc6 23. Rxc7 Qa5 24.Qh4 Qxa2
25.Nf6 Kh8 26.Rxf7 Qa1 27.Kh2 Bxf6 28.Qxf6 Qxf6 29.Rxf6 Kg8 30.Rxd6 Rf8 31.Kg3 a5 32.Bc1 a4
33.f3 Rd8 34.Rxd8 Nxd8 35.Kf4 Kf7 36.d4 g5 37.Ke4 Ne6 38.Kd3 Kg6 39.d5 Nc5 40.Kc3 ........
1-0

What do you think of the line white chose in this game ? Chances for an advantage ?

(I assume the variation with Nc4 was in their book and was not played by Rybka already "thinking")
  
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Reply #5 - 09/27/08 at 17:44:39
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Ptero wrote on 09/27/08 at 13:41:27:
Strategy_Rules wrote on 09/25/08 at 13:36:12:
I started to learn this defence a little and tried it out in some blitz games already. I just wonder if you would consider the modern line 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 as really dangerous for black or not.


I think that the acid test for this whole 5.Nc3 line will arrive very soon at the Anand-Kramnik match. Will be interesting to watch.


I do not think Anand will play the Nc3 line.  There are some newer ideas in the 3.d4 lines that offer better chances for white advantage and I suspect these will be seen instead.
  

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Reply #4 - 09/27/08 at 13:41:27
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Strategy_Rules wrote on 09/25/08 at 13:36:12:
I started to learn this defence a little and tried it out in some blitz games already. I just wonder if you would consider the modern line 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 as really dangerous for black or not.


I think that the acid test for this whole 5.Nc3 line will arrive very soon at the Anand-Kramnik match. Will be interesting to watch.
  
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Reply #3 - 09/26/08 at 20:20:12
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hicetnunc wrote on 09/25/08 at 14:08:18:
From a practical point of view, 5.Nc3 is dangerous for black, if only because white's game is easy to play.

So knowing some defensive resources as black may be useful.


One of the easiest draws to hold as Black in all of Chess.  And easy for Black to play for a win if White neglects the Queenside.  I've a plus score OTB in this line as Black and have yet to lose against it.

I feel the Cochrane (3.Nxf7) is a bigger challenge to Black to keep the defenses together than anything I've seen from the 5.Nc3 lines.  Yes, it is theoretically better for Black, but the path is a narrow and sharp one with cavernous precipicies (sp?!) on all sides.
  

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Reply #2 - 09/25/08 at 14:46:43
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It can be dangerous with kings castled on opposite sides see Anand and Svidler v Kramnik . But if black castles queenside to white's queenside- there isn't that much that any petroff defender shouldn't be able to cope with.
  
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Reply #1 - 09/25/08 at 14:08:18
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From a practical point of view, 5.Nc3 is dangerous for black, if only because white's game is easy to play.

So knowing some defensive resources as black may be useful.
  

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C42-C43: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6! :)
09/25/08 at 13:36:12
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I started to learn this defence a little and tried it out in some blitz games already. I just wonder if you would consider the modern line 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 as really dangerous for black or not.
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