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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
Reply #9 - 10/11/08 at 16:10:48
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Girkassa wrote on 10/10/08 at 23:32:03:
I was happy with the positions I got, so I continued to play it.


I could not think of a better reason! Why change?
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
Reply #8 - 10/10/08 at 23:32:03
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MNb wrote on 09/30/08 at 02:07:19:
20 Years ago the MNb1 had the reputation to be more drawish than the NID, but I doubt if this is still the case.


I'd say, the QID gives White more possibilities to make the game more drawish. Which means White has a pleasant choice.

Anyway, I agree the question is very narrow, and even some of the 4th move alternatives can still split into really different branches. I'm especially thinking of 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 0-0 and now either 5.a3 or 5.e4.

I'm trying to think of why I chose the 4.a3 QID as my main weapon, but I think the main reason was that I simply had to choose something. As it turned out, I was happy with the positions I got, so I continued to play it.
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
Reply #7 - 09/30/08 at 02:07:19
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The question is too narrow.
After 3.Nc3 Bb4 there is:
4.Qc2
4.e3
4.Nf3
4.Bg5
4.a3
4.f3
4.g3

After 3.Nf3 b6 there is:
4.g3
4.a3
4.Nc3
4.e3

I am sorry, for me your question is impossible to answer. The big guns prefer either 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 or 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 these days. I suppose these are most theoretical. Then again 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 and 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 (4.Nc3) have been very popular in the past, so there is a lot of theory in these realms as well.
20 Years ago the QID had the reputation to be more drawish than the NID, but I doubt if this is still the case.
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
Reply #6 - 09/29/08 at 19:32:18
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HgMan wrote on 09/29/08 at 14:57:20:
Don't forget that 3.g3 is another viable option...


Yap thats a possibility of course. I intend to include the catalan against QGD. So I can of course use it against nimzo/QID. But I want to play Nimzo or QID as white but want catalan as a surprise weapon instead of nimzo/QID. It will make me less predictable.

So QID or NIMZO thats the question.
  
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Don't forget that 3.g3 is another viable option...
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
Reply #4 - 09/29/08 at 11:09:49
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Maybe 4.a3 in the QID may suit you more if you play the main lines of the QGD such as the Tartakower as the ideas are similar.
On the other hand there is something to say for going for the Nimzo as you basically force it with 3.Nc3 (with 3.Nf3 you could also get a Bogo) and the 4.Qc2 or 4.e3 lines are very decent. Personally I'd go for 4.Qc2 against the Nimzo as it grabs space and keeps the initiative, unlike most other lines in the Nimzo-QID complex (usually you lack one of them)
  
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Reply #3 - 09/29/08 at 01:32:04
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Both Nimzo and QID are solid openings. I feel the QID is a lot more drawish though. I like the 2. Nf3 thing because it stops silly things like albin counter gambit, budapest. I prefer not to play the four pawns benoni anyways.
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
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LeeRoth wrote on 09/29/08 at 00:02:11:
In terms of the effect on your repertoire, its not just the QGD.  3.Nf3 also prevents you from playing some of the more aggressive choices against the Benoni.  


No problem as I have chosen to play Bf4 system against the Benoni. It is considered a quite dangerous system for black..according to Watson and Psakhis.
  
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Re: Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
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In terms of the effect on your repertoire, its not just the QGD.  3.Nf3 also prevents you from playing some of the more aggressive choices against the Benoni.  
  
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Nimzo vs QID as white. Why allow Nimzo ? Why QID ?
09/28/08 at 23:11:17
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I am intending to start playing  1.d4 . Sooner rather than later I have to make a choice. One of the most important choice for a 1.d4 player I guess. To choose between allowing the Nimzo or the Queens Indian.

They should lead to different type of games. And players chose them by some reasons.  Which of these openings are more drawish,positional,dynamic,easier to learn and play,theoretical and so on.

It would be nice to get some advice here. Especially as I have not played 1.d4 in a real game. Anyone who has played against both the Nimzo and the QID ? Maybe he or she knows the main differences between these two openings.

Note: For me it doesnt matter wheather if I start with my knight on c3 or f3  because I dont play the exchange variation in the QGambit.
 

  
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