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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #10 - 11/23/08 at 08:03:44
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Next time I face 1.d4 Nc6, I might try the cheeky 2.Nc3!?, with the idea of meeting 2...e5 with 3.d5 followed by 4.e4 and 2...d5 with 3.e4.
  

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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #9 - 11/23/08 at 05:15:35
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/06/08 at 18:05:03:
Having said that, 2.c4 e5 3.d5 is virtually a refutation of this line.


Really? I'm no master, but since I started playing 1 ... Nc6, I've reached that position a few times with Black and have scored very well with it. If there's anything like a refutation I'd surely like to see it.
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #8 - 10/06/08 at 18:37:33
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[quote]This thread belongs in the Daring Defenses section. [/quote]

This is surely correct. Could it be moved?


[quote]... 2.c4 e5 3.d5 is virtually a refutation of this line.[/quote]

This seems a bold claim. What do you believe the virtual refutation is after 3 ...Nce7?
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #7 - 10/06/08 at 18:05:03
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I'm pretty sure that 2.c4 is not the best move, allowing Black to fix his mistake on the first move and play 2...d5! (going for the Chigorin, which is at least playable).  I agree with Markovich about 2.e4! being more critical than 2.c4.  As the original thread suggests, White also has 2.d5! which scores well.

Having said that, 2.c4 e5 3.d5 is virtually a refutation of this line.

My real problem with this entire thread is that it doesn't really belong here.  Although Nimzovich probably did play/analyse this opening, it's not a Nimzo Indian, QID, Bogo, or Benoni.

This thread belongs in the Daring Defenses section.
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #6 - 10/06/08 at 16:12:02
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My invariable answer to 1...Nc6 is 2.e4.
  

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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #5 - 10/06/08 at 09:21:53
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Assuming that this was in play 1 d4 then 2 Nf3 probably just fitted better with the sort of solid, slightly non critical repitoire he was presenting in that book. It's hardly a bad move either of course.
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #4 - 10/05/08 at 15:53:50
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Gosh, that is an old thread... there seems to be some 'food for thought' there, but it also looks a little tougher for Black after 2.d5 than Keene seems to suggest!


The first of the threads I quoted might be old, but surely not nearly as old as the 'old book by Ray Keene'!  Grin And sure, objectively speaking 2 d5 is tough, in my understanding. It's interesting that Richard Palliser doesn't suggest it -- does he say why not?
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #3 - 10/05/08 at 13:47:20
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Or you can follow Palliser's 2.Nf3
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #2 - 10/04/08 at 18:40:27
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Gosh, that is an old thread... there seems to be some 'food for thought' there, but it also looks a little tougher for Black after 2.d5 than Keene seems to suggest!
  
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Re: Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
Reply #1 - 10/04/08 at 14:14:40
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The only real drawback, I think, is 2 d5! As regards deciding how serious a drawback this is, this old thread might help:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1097168063/0

The greatest living exponent of 1 d4 Nc6 might be Mestrovic, who, after 2 d5 Ne5 3 e4, has drawn with no less a player than Milan Drasko using 3 ...d6!?. He has also played the really offbeat 2 ...Nb8!?. See also http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1146489832/7#7 and http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209474437/2#2 for more on this wacky but intriguing 'Mestrovic Defence' stuff.
  
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Any advice on 1.d4 Nc6 2.c4 e5!?
10/04/08 at 12:16:16
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I'd like to know peoples views on this line. Obviously you have to be prepared to enter a Nimzowitsch after 2.e4, but this seems to me to be something of a 'souped-up' tango.

I found this in an old book by Ray Keene. Is the idea passed it's sell-by date, or does anyone play it? Smiley
  
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