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Reply #13 - 10/07/08 at 01:36:32
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Sorry for adding to my own post, but I wish to share a lesson learnt from a lady playing in our club.  She has little background in chess openings altogether, but plays her best and has a great attacking style. I asked her once : But here you could have won a rook, why did you keep attacking instead? and then she replied : you know my job, I restore ancient books, and I must take no risks because I know whatever I do is irreversible. So I do the same with chess.
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Reply #12 - 10/07/08 at 01:14:24
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@smyslov-fan : unless you would have a personal reason to do so, why try to outsmart his previous teacher ?!

Honestly, I can't see anything wrong with someone playing the CK & semi-slav with Black, what makes you call this "anti-chess"? not every player with +600 elo (i.e. 1500) will grind him on the CK, and he can have a lifetime friend in the semi-slav. If the CK is not interesting in the first ten moves, perhaps it will become interesting later on !

These are IMHO rich openings, and by all means opposed to "system" players with the Colle, BDG, Grand-Prix-with-Qe1-Qh4 or whatever keeps (most of) them stuck at 1700 forever. At least, what you can fight are feelings such as "the CK is best, because...", since your pupil seems to have nothing to compare the CK to. Open his eyes up to tactics, and then just let him decide what suits him best !

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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #11 - 10/06/08 at 22:54:42
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/06/08 at 18:35:03:
Hi all!

I have a new student who was taught to play the Caro-Kann and the Semi-Slav (really, the Fort Knox) but is in every respect a beginner (about 900 rating on ICC).


Whatever advise you take, your goal must be to make clear that there is more in chess than the Caro-Kann en the Semi-Slav. Show him that the WCh's have played all kind of openings and have mastered all types of positions.
Leave him with these two defences for the time being; try to change his white  repertoire. He is more likely to have success with an aggressive style as White.
This way you don't have to condemn his former teacher. What he has learned is good; what you will teach him expands.
  

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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #10 - 10/06/08 at 22:23:11
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Give him homework.  Tell him to go through all these games:



He's bound to have some questions for you....
  

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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #9 - 10/06/08 at 21:55:34
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Most likely he usually got squashed when playing open games. No matter how much better it may be for your development if you play open games, if you get squashed every time you wont improve at all. So I wouldnt be too quick on changing his openings.

Maybe feed him some Tal-Botters games? At the very least it must appeal to see his openings handled by one of the best against the most agressive player ever.
  

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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #8 - 10/06/08 at 19:53:15
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What's your normal method of teaching, smyslov? Maybe you could pick a nice selection of classic games (morphy, etc) and use one game per lesson to slowly "brainwash" him into valuing and enjoying the initiative. i.e. one lesson with the opera house game and then give him various mating tactical problems as homework. This way it's not just your word against his former teacher, but also that of the great players in chess history. I'm really surprised that his former coach thought opening lessons were appropriate for a 900 player (other than opening principles of course!).
  
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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #7 - 10/06/08 at 19:11:21
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oh i thought it was an acronym, ive seen this and i think that it is ultimately inferior and rather passive but not to be underestimated at all costs
  
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Reply #6 - 10/06/08 at 19:05:16
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have a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus_Defence

http://www.hippopotamuschess.hit.bg/

Chessmoby wrote on 10/06/08 at 19:00:17:
btw what is HIPPO, im intruiged...

  
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Reply #5 - 10/06/08 at 19:00:31
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That situation does sound lamentable.  I would wonder how much of an affinity for chess books he has (Basman's "Chess Openings" would be my particular suggestion).
  
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btw what is HIPPO, im intruiged...
  
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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #3 - 10/06/08 at 18:59:14
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show him alot of tactics and combinations which are incredibly beautiful and intricate. have him work through these combinations step by step to understand the mechanisms. then teach him some general stuff about the kingside attack, (i.e. how to spot weaknesses and exploit them, how to attack the king and when the conditions suit it)
when he sees this stuff happen on the chessboard he will begin to wonder why it never happens in his games.
then show him some counterattacking stuff (i.e schevy d5, dragon sacs on c3) and he will become intruiged about dynamics. then get him to play through some games of great attackers and counterattackers, kasparov's kid, tal games
by now he will be so intruiged about how these situations come about on the chessboard he will ask of his own accord. then tell him that you are moving up in the openings (as though his current repetoire is designed for beginners, and suggest that your suggested repetoire is more advanced and clever)
  
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Reply #2 - 10/06/08 at 18:52:34
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all the openings are extremely difficult in my opinion,
I don't know any opening that is easy to play,

maybe the scandinavian with Qa5 against ... e4?

but against the closed games!? they are all so difficult, 
maybe the QGD, but it is also a subtle opening, but maybe still the best 

or ... just teach him the "HIPPO", a universal defence not to be underestimated
  
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Re: Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
Reply #1 - 10/06/08 at 18:41:30
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Exposure.


Expose him to new ideas in a way that has nothing at all to do with his former teacher.  I agree there is no reason to make it a personal thing and doing so really gains very little chessically.  Although a good ad hominem attack can be good fun over a few beers and a burger, it usually backfires in unpredictable ways (Now, if I only find way to take-up my own advice one day.... Roll Eyes)


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Help teaching someone who was taught anti-chess
10/06/08 at 18:35:03
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Hi all!

I have a new student who was taught to play the Caro-Kann and the Semi-Slav (really, the Fort Knox) but is in every respect a beginner (about 900 rating on ICC).

If I tell him that his teacher was a moron and doesn't understand chess, he will just go back to his former teacher and I will have successfully insulted several people at once.  

However, my understanding of chess involves learning how to get the pieces out quickly, control the center, protect the king and seize the initiative. This opening repertoire is suggestive of an armadillo defense.  Duck, roll into a ball, and hope your opponent doesn't notice you.  

His previous teacher taught him "GDGCGA", Get developed, get castled get aggressive.  While I agree with the general principles of this, I don't see how they relate to his opening choices.  

Here's the question:  How do I work with a beginner who has absolutely fixed ideas about what openings suits his character has had a teacher who (in my opinion) has been teaching anti-chess?

(I know I can teach him tactics and endgames, and build up his trust in me that way, but I will also need to address his openings at some point.)
  
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