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Re: Czech Benoni: key lines and move-order subtleties
Reply #42 - 10/16/14 at 09:33:21
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I dare say that the listing of the accomplishments of the authors hints a little at the quality of the book. Not to say that you need 2.600 ELO to write a chess book, but there's way too much anecdotal on one author and not at all chess related on the other.
  
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Reply #41 - 10/16/14 at 06:16:21
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No, not really. The book just goes through some games. All the way though too, so too much space on later moves.
Not really in the 'this is a repertoire guide' kinda way at all. Just games, 'black does this, white does this' on occasion. Authors do not seem to have thought about pedagogy at all - how to structure the games to provide repertoire guidance. Do not really get the impression that the authors are strong players either - no insight.
Just a really annoying book. A half-arsed job, if that.
  
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Reply #40 - 10/16/14 at 01:35:09
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Bibs wrote on 10/15/14 at 07:36:52:
The book is disappointing. Don't bother TonyRo. Some games, but no real theory as such. No attempt to push things. Not really an attempt to guide the reader through what to play, just a themed game collection really.
Poor effort, I think.
Still waiting for a decent book to be written on this line.

 
The free sample said one of the author preferred some different setups, some with ...g6, that weren't in Palliser's book on the opening.  I don't suppose the games have insights on ways to make some of the variations more playable?
  
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Reply #39 - 10/15/14 at 17:08:47
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Gross. What a shame. Thanks for the info!

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Reply #38 - 10/15/14 at 07:36:52
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The book is disappointing. Don't bother TonyRo. Some games, but no real theory as such. No attempt to push things. Not really an attempt to guide the reader through what to play, just a themed game collection really.
Poor effort, I think.
Still waiting for a decent book to be written on this line.
  
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Reply #37 - 10/15/14 at 02:09:02
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If anyone picks this book up and there's reasonable proof that they've figured some stuff out in the main lines discussed here, let me know! I'd like to pick this line back up and mess with it and the intro looked reasonable enough, but I don't trust that there are significant improvements for Black - maybe I'm wrong!

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Reply #36 - 10/14/14 at 18:07:28
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[quote author=7E7D7771100 link=1223334311/31#31 date=1342194460]...I love it when Black can create a position where White feels he has a certain advantage and an automatic attack, but where with just one false move it can so easily blow up in his face
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I don't have much of substance to add, but I don't think many White players think that they have an automatic attack against the Czech Benoni.  Rather as White, I assume that I have a slight edge because I have a space advantage.  I also think that Black's play will be less dynamic than if he had chosen another type of Benoni or a King's Indian--essentially when he still has the option of how to commit his central pawns. 

So I rather feel that I'm going to settle into a longer, maneuvering struggle, with a slower pace of play than a Modern Benoni or King's Indian, but one where my extra space should count for something.  Hardly an automatic attack; more likely a positional/prophylactic squeeze if things go well for me.

Something along these lines I guess, though it's not a Czech Benoni (but the central pawn structure is the same):

[pgn][Event "USSR Championship 1961a"]
[Site "Moscow (RUS)"]
[Date "1961.01.27"]
[EventDate "1961.??.??"]
[Round "11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian"]
[Black "Eduard Gufeld"]
[ECO "E70"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "75"]

1. c4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e4 O-O 5. Bg5 d6 6. Qd2 c5
7. d5 Qa5 8. Bd3 a6 9. Nge2 e5 10. O-O Nbd7 11. a3 Nh5 12. f3
Bf6 13. Bh6 Ng7 14. g3 Rb8 15. Kh1 Qc7 16. b3 Be7 17. Rab1 Kh8
18. Rb2 Nf6 19. b4 Ng8 20. Be3 f5 21. bxc5 dxc5 22. Rfb1 Nf6
23. Rb6 Bd6 24. Bh6 Rf7 25. Ng1 f4 26. gxf4 Nd7 27. fxe5 Bxe5
28. Re6 b5 29. cxb5 c4 30. Rc6 Qd8 31. Bxc4 Qh4 32. Rc1 Nh5
33. Bg5 Ng3+ 34. Kg2 Nxe4 35. Nxe4 Qxh2+ 36. Kf1 Rxf3+
37. Nxf3 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 1-0[/pgn]

That's my mindset when facing the Czech Benoni.
  
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Reply #35 - 10/14/14 at 09:52:52
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Thanks for this Glenn! I can't wait, esp. to see Chapter 8!
  
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Reply #34 - 10/13/14 at 19:21:19
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Glenn Snow wrote on 09/19/14 at 14:15:10:
I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere so thought I'd mention there's a new book coming out on the Czech Benoni.

http://www.mongoosepress.com/czech-benoni.htm

It will be interesting to see what the recommend versus some of the critical lines which have been discussed here on the forum.


I noticed yesterday that the aforementioned book is now available on the Forwardchess app (I hear it can vary but the price I saw was $16.99.).
  
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Reply #33 - 09/19/14 at 14:15:10
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I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere so thought I'd mention there's a new book coming out on the Czech Benoni.

http://www.mongoosepress.com/czech-benoni.htm

It will be interesting to see what the recommend versus some of the critical lines which have been discussed here on the forum.
  
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Re: Czech Benoni: key lines and move-order subtleties
Reply #32 - 08/20/12 at 23:19:22
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Well, having had some weeks to sober up, I certainly admit to talking over-enthusiastic tosh above! I still don't understand why the ...h5 line should be a scare as the Ng5 plan is surely just better for White. But equally with Finegold's 9 ...0-0, or 9 ...a6, or anything else (including the ML with ...0-0), I don't see how Black gets enough play. Anyone got any (further) thoughts?
  
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Reply #31 - 07/13/12 at 15:47:40
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I’ve been trying off and on to look at these lines some more, and have certainly learnt a lot, if nothing else! I too love this opening despite its purported ‘passivity’. The chess equivalent of goalhanging perhaps – I love it when Black can create a position where White feels he has a certain advantage and an automatic attack, but where with just one false move it can so easily blow up in his face …

In the …h5 lines, I couldn’t find anything good for Black if White goes Nf3-g5. But how about, instead, a plan of …h6, taking some sting out of White’s h4-h5 and strongpointing some dark squares? Also I’m wondering if Black should [after 6 Bd3 Nbd7 7 Nf3 Nf8 8 h3 Ng6 9 g3] start with 9 …a6!?, for now neither castling nor moving the QB, which might want to go to g4 in one move, e.g. 9 …a6 10 h4 Bg4 11 Be2 h6 12 Nh2 Bd7, with an improved version of lines already looked at. So far after 9 …a6 I’ve looked only at lines with Kf1/Kg2 and the Nd1-Ne3-Nf5 plan, and I wonder if Black can’t defend OK. It seems it’s very hard for White to push kingside pawns without allowing Black to gain real counterplay or at least create a sound fortress. (In one line I looked at where White had played Nf5 and g3-g4, Black played ...Ne7xf5 then …Kh8 and …Bf8, but then despite possessing the g-file White could not attack!) Obviously Black’s plans also include a timely …b5 if allowed.

I’m thinking of something like 9 …a6 10 Kf1 0-0 11 Kg2 (11 h4 Bg4 12 Be2 Qd7) h6 12 Rb1 (12 h4 Bg4 again; I think in some positions Black goes …Bd8 and …Ba5 and maybe …b5) Bd7 13 b4 b6 14 Qe2 Qc8 15 Bd2 (15 Nd1 Re8 [15 …Bd8!?] 16 Ne3 Rb8 17 Nf5 Bf5 18 ef Nf8 19 bc Qc5) Rb8 16 Nd1 Re8 17 Ne3 Bf8, e.g. 18 bc dc 19 Bc3 b5. I hasten to add these are quite hasty thoughts and possibly quite wonky but maybe they can be the trigger to something better …
  
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Reply #30 - 07/05/12 at 14:57:00
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I've been trying to take inspiration from the games Agdamus--Quinteros, Kargoll--Bezold and Rajcevic--Pujarevic, but surely White was better in these -- maybe the moral is that many strong players find it difficult to play these weird positions even when they have an advantage! Anyway will keep searching! ...
  
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Reply #29 - 07/05/12 at 14:09:58
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You are assuming they have something in mind at all! I think Palliser admits in his book that with great play from White, he might squeeze something out.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to convince myself that Black can hold the balance in the Modern Main Lines of the Czech Benoni. If you have any further ideas, I'd love to look at them - I've always loved this opening!
  
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Re: Czech Benoni: key lines and move-order subtleties
Reply #28 - 07/05/12 at 13:52:02
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H'mm, yes, I am forced to concede that even in these stodged-up positions engines have something to say! On 14 ...Ne8 (the ending after 14 ...h6 looks the purest masochism!) 15 Bd8, maybe 15 ...Rd8 is better and at least it could get complicated, but it all looks a bit iffy to me ... So what, I wonder, do Finegold, and Palliser, have in mind?
  
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