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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #40 - 07/27/09 at 01:52:10
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An interesting sample line involving a temporary queen sac is 9.d5 Nxe5 10.Nxe5 dxe5 11.Bb5+ Bd7 12.Qxg4 Bc5+ 13.Kh1 Nf6 14.Qf5 Bd6 15.Bxf4 c6 16.dxc6 Bxf5 17.c7+ Qd7 18.Bg5 Ne4 19.Rxf5 Nxc3 20.Bxd7+ Kxd7 21.bxc3 Kxc7 22.Rxf7 with some endgame advantage. This is undoubtedly not the last word; the complications are fun.
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #39 - 07/27/09 at 00:04:15
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DavidFlude,

Thx for sharing this game with us.
That is an inspired sacrifice.


1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Nh5 5. Be2 g5 6. O-O g4 7. Nc3!

My first impression is that White has excellent compensation if Black accepts this sac. Rather than "commit suicide"  I think Black should investigate
7.....Nc6 8.d4,d6 with an unclear game.


In your suggestion for the best defense:

7... gxf3 8. Bxf3 Ng7 9. d4 Be7 10. Bxf4 d6  11. Bh6 Nf5 12. Bd5 Nxh6 13. Qh5  Rf8  14. e6 c6 15. exf7+ Kd7 16. Qxh6  Kc7 17.Qxh7
I agree that 17....cxd5 18.Nxd5 is winning for White.
Black should play 17.....Nd7 I think, though White's compensation is
no longer in doubt.
  
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another new line
Reply #38 - 07/26/09 at 08:51:58
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As the book is not yet ready the following game may be useful. I have already sent it to Kaissiber.
  

FludeAm.pgn ( 4 KB | 320 Downloads )

I am hopelessly addicted to the King's Gambit
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #37 - 07/14/09 at 02:19:23
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micawber wrote on 07/13/09 at 07:55:57:
I think that White can claim an advantage after 9.Bd3! +/=.

Not only you think this - so does Thomas Johansson in The FKG.
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #36 - 07/13/09 at 07:55:57
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According to the new Quality Chess catalogue, the book is still planned.
The expected publication date has been moved to December 2009.
So we have to exercise patience a little longer.
In the meantime a relatively recent game

[Event "Ch France (team) 2009"]
[Site "France"]
[Date "2009.03.21"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Shirazi Kamran (FRA)"]
[Black "Jakovenko Dmitry (RUS)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C36"]
[WhiteElo "2410"]
[BlackElo "2760"]
[Annotator Micawber]


1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Bd6 5. d4 Ne7!?
(5... c6 is the most solid reply I think; But if you out-rate your opponent by 300 ELO points, you probably arent interested in solid continuations.)
6. c4 c5
( White is a little better after 6... Ng6 7. Bd3 or 6... b6 7. Bd3)
7. b4!
(7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Bxf4 O-O unclear (Dubois,M (2080)-Chaude de Silans,C (2000)/Nantes 1993)
(7. Nc3 cxd4  8. Nb5 O-O 9. Nxd6 Qxd6 unclear ( Reich,T (2394)-Vogiatzis,D/Fuerth 1999)
7... b6  8. bxc5 bxc5 9. dxc5?
(I think that White can claim an advantage after 9.Bd3! +/=. White's last move will haunt him for the rest of the game, since the open diagonal a7-g1 makes it difficult for White to castle)
9... Bxc5 10. Bxf4 O-O 11. Nc3 Re8 12. Be2 Nf5 =/+


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Black is allready better here

13. Qc2 Qf6 14. Rd1 Nh4 15. Nxh4 Qxf4 16. Nf3 Bf5 17. Qc1 Be3

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In the rest of the game, white wasnt able to complete his development

18. Rd2 Nd7 19. Nd1 Rab8 20. Qc3 Nc5 21. Rd4 Bxd4 22. Qxd4 Bd3!

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(23.Qxf4,Rxe2+ 24.Kf1, Rb1!-+)

23. Nc3 Bxe2! 0-1

(24.Qxf4,Nd3+ 25.Kd2,Rb2++; 24.Nxe2,Rb1+ 25.Kf2, Ne4-+)
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #35 - 05/03/09 at 19:25:22
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 10/26/08 at 08:53:02:
This book has unfortunately been delayed a bit...

...I expect the book to be out in February, but this is not a promise.

Jacob Aagaard


Well I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath  Tongue
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #34 - 03/28/09 at 02:05:18
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I prefer 3...Nc6 4.d4 g5!?, which is largely neglected in the books.  Play often continues 5.h4 (White could try to transpose to the Pierce Gambit with 5.Nc3 here, but I don't trust White's compensation after 5...g4 6.Bc4 gxf3 7.0-0 Nxd4) 5...g4 6.Ne5 transposing to a line of the Kieseritzky- admittedly not one of Black's most critical responses, but still probably sufficient for interesting and equal play.

I've also had a few players try 6.Ng5 when after 6...h6 7.Nxf7 Kxf7 play usually transposes to a Hampe-Allgaier Gambit after a subsequent Nc3, and as per analysis on another thread, I assess the resulting positions as unclear/equal.

I don't deny, though, that most theoretically critical remains the immediate 3...g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 (5.Ng5 h6 6.Nxf7, the "pure" Allgaier, is unclear but probably confers an edge to Black) 5...Nf6 or 5...d5.  And the Hanstein Gambit (4.Bc4 Bg7!) has been well covered recently too.
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #33 - 03/28/09 at 01:29:09
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I would not dare to say that I don't need to find out much anymore about the main line defences of the KG. At the other hand I think I have found out enough already to combat irregulars like 3...Bc5 and 3...Nc6 4.d4 d6 with confidence. Moreover there are always the three principles of opening play: develop, control the centre, guard your king. Should be enough.
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #32 - 03/27/09 at 22:32:02
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kylemeister wrote on 03/27/09 at 22:19:28:
At the risk of being old-fashioned or something, I don't think you can expect a standard sort of opening book to pay much if any attention to possibilities like 2...ef 3. Nf3 Bc5 or 3...Nc6 4. d4 d6; that's more the province of primers on the order of, say, Michael Basman's "Chess Openings."      


But there is no resource for players who encounters these commonly played lines which are weaker, but not necessarily outright blunders.
That was my point.
I don't need to find out much more about the main line defences - I already have Gallagher's book.  Wink
It seems that Shaw is getting bogged-down with analysis, but perhaps the focus of many of these opening guides is wrong for the reasons I outlined above.
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #31 - 03/27/09 at 22:19:28
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At the risk of being old-fashioned or something, I don't think you can expect a standard sort of opening book to pay much if any attention to possibilities like 2...ef 3. Nf3 Bc5 or 3...Nc6 4. d4 d6; that's more the province of primers on the order of, say, Michael Basman's "Chess Openings."      
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #30 - 03/27/09 at 21:27:30
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I think part of the problem here is that authors like Tait & Shaw get so obsessed with Fritz analysis of the solid lines that they cannot see the woods for the trees.  No doubt the potential authors get depressed with the workload and editing problems of such a complex system.

What most of us want is a straightforward OTB battle manual for the KG, not some obscure but solid line in the classical defence that runs to 5 pages of analysis to move 30.

I'm a lower intermediate and so most of my KG games are well out of book by move 10 anyway.
Many Black players opt for questionable stuff like 2...exf4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 d6 or 2...exf4 3.Nf3 Bc5 & an overview of these commonly played lines & others would be of more use.
Why are these moves not so good?  What are the thematics of these commonly played positions?
 
Writing a tome with deep analysis for GM quality play seems rather odd to me, since no GM's play this opening with regularity anymore & the only possible people to benefit would be top-end CC players.

Intermediate (& better) club players play the KG regularly, so why not pander to the mass market & dare I say dumb it down a little?

A case of K.I.S.S for these authors, perhaps?
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #29 - 03/03/09 at 19:50:47
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@Markovich
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One recently popular idea that appears not to work, however, is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6.  After 4.Nc3! exf4 5.Bc4! Qh4+ 6.Kf1 f3 7.d3 fxg2+ 8.Kxg2, the position favors White, I opine.


Markovich I think you are to pessimistic:
(1) I agree that Black is worse in your line after 8....Bg4. However, 8...Nf6 is not exactly refuted (Ivanchuck-Piket, 1997). Piket passed up a good line to exchange into an unclear endgame.
(2) I think that after 5.Bc4 black should answer 5....Nf6:
A) 6.dxc6,Nxc6 7.Nf3,Bc5 gives black sufficient compensation (Vasilevich-K. Lahno, Moscow, 2008)
B) 6.d4,cxd5 transfers into a line of the Bishops Gambit that is perfectly acceptable for Black (Bezold-Almazi, Altensteig, 1993 for example). Black can also contemplate 6...Nxd5.
C) 6.Nf3 transfers to the Modern Defense.

6.d4,Bd6 is less accurate as white can transfer to a position from the modern defense where he has a slight endgame advantage.
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #28 - 03/03/09 at 19:04:38
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Any news?

When will the book be out???
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #27 - 02/22/09 at 18:31:20
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Hey guys, do you have suggestions or ideas how new book from Quality Chess about KG should look, and what should include?

Perhaps can Mr. Aagaard or Mr. Shaw answer on following questions?

a) which mainlines are recommended
b) is there any positional or endgame introduction
c) how is theory structured
d) do we have quick repertoire scans
e) are there any improvements regarding existing theory
f) will the book match latest oracle by Thomas Johansson "The Fascinating King's Gambit"
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #26 - 02/21/09 at 11:01:47
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If either Shaw's or Tait's KG books come out I will probably buy them & if they're anything like as good as Gallagher's Winning with the King's Gambit then I will recommend them in a forum I use on a site with 250,000 active members.
May help shift a few copies.
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