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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #86 - 08/15/13 at 17:40:19
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Breaking News: 2. f4 refutes 1...e5.

Absolutely sensational.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #85 - 08/15/13 at 16:30:23
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barnaby wrote on 08/15/13 at 16:23:37:
tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 16:22:51:
tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:07:33:
Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)

seems like first white was winning, then black, then white, and now black


more than seems .... black was busted!

quite the houdini* escape by mr kamsky


* pun NOT intended and no accusation meant .... i realized after posting that idiom probably is a bit too layered here

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Good (unintended) joke. Kamsky however is tying himself up again. Better for white at the moment!
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #84 - 08/15/13 at 16:23:37
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tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 16:22:51:
tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:07:33:
Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)

seems like first white was winning, then black, then white, and now black


more than seems .... black was busted!

quite the houdini* escape by mr kamsky


* pun NOT intended and no accusation meant .... i realized after posting that idiom probably is a bit too layered here

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #83 - 08/15/13 at 16:22:51
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tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:07:33:
Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)

seems like first white was winning, then black, then white, and now black
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #82 - 08/15/13 at 13:51:09
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BreakThru wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:14:39:
tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:07:33:
Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)


Thanks for mentioning! A big surprise to Kamsky it seems, already spending more than ten minutes after 2.f4.


kamsky is apparently not a member here and does not seem to know these lines


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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #81 - 08/15/13 at 13:25:04
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I guess he'll play something not so exciting because he only needs a draw
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #80 - 08/15/13 at 13:14:39
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tony37 wrote on 08/15/13 at 13:07:33:
Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)


Thanks for mentioning! A big surprise to Kamsky it seems, already spending more than ten minutes after 2.f4.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #79 - 08/15/13 at 13:07:33
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Shimanov is right now playing a King's gambit against Kamsky
see http://chessworldcup2013.com/live (board 8)
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #78 - 08/15/13 at 12:56:05
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Shaw mentions that Sakaev gives this line, and that he only considers 8.Bc4.  Shaw recommends 8.d5!?  After three pages of analysis, he concludes "still a mess but White has the easier practical task."
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Yes, indeed. A pity he didn't give additional analysis and or typical plans for white in this double-edged position. Usually he does this very well, but here it is somewhat too open ended for my taste. I think it is definately playable, but it requires soms home-analysis too I think.    
The alternative at move 9 also deserves attention as it might be easier to play. Position remains about equal, but dynamic. If blackplayers follow Sakaev's advice, then they will be surprised by 8.d5!? Surprisevalue and preparation is also something to take into account in these kind of complex positions.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #77 - 08/15/13 at 11:46:14
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TopNotch wrote on 08/15/13 at 03:45:55:
I was recently browsing through The Petroff - An Expert Repertoire for Black by Konstantin Sakaev (2011) in it he analyses the Quaade variation and concludes that black is better and it is White who must search for salvation.

Sakaev uses the game Zvjaginsev - Smirnov to illustrate his analysis, the key line centering around 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 f3 7.d4 Bb4!. His analysis seems convincing, so I am eager to comapre it with what Shaw has found when I get my hands on his book.

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Shaw mentions that Sakaev gives this line, and that he only considers 8.Bc4.  Shaw recommends 8.d5!?  After three pages of analysis, he concludes "still a mess but White has the easier practical task."
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #76 - 08/15/13 at 11:16:39
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 08/15/13 at 07:56:23:
barnaby wrote on 08/14/13 at 20:03:51:
i still think the best chance for a black advantage against best possible moves from white may lie in the modern defense ( 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. ed ef) while also avoiding any of the edgier lines in which white can play for at least some decent otb complications


Black has no hope of any advantage in this line. But, as you say, it avoids all White's tricks and makes it a good practical choice over the board.


I have to agree with that. The modern line might well be the safest choice for black. There are no revolutionary new ideas in this line, but with a bit of preparation it's still possible to surprise the second player. Objectively the chances are balanced though and the resulting positions are more positional than most lines in the KG.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #75 - 08/15/13 at 11:09:38
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TopNotch wrote on 08/15/13 at 03:45:55:
I was recently browsing through The Petroff - An Expert Repertoire for Black by Konstantin Sakaev (2011) in it he analyses the Quaade variation and concludes that black is better and it is White who must search for salvation.

Sakaev uses the game Zvjaginsev - Smirnov to illustrate his analysis, the key line centering around 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 f3 7.d4 Bb4!. His analysis seems convincing, so I am eager to comapre it with what Shaw has found when I get my hands on his book.

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Shaw mentions Sakaev's work or course. According to Shaw however Sakaev only analyses 8.Bc4 (I can't check that myself because I don't own Sakaev's book). Shaw introduces the novelty 8.d5!?, after which, according to his analysis, black's best move is the less than obvious 8...Qe7.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #74 - 08/15/13 at 11:03:45
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Bump. To remove the sloughter/sf dross for a time anyhow, talk about an opening text and theory.
Good book, great fun so far.
Impressive coverage of KG Declined, a line I know well.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #73 - 08/15/13 at 07:56:23
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barnaby wrote on 08/14/13 at 20:03:51:
i still think the best chance for a black advantage against best possible moves from white may lie in the modern defense ( 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. ed ef) while also avoiding any of the edgier lines in which white can play for at least some decent otb complications


Black has no hope of any advantage in this line. But, as you say, it avoids all White's tricks and makes it a good practical choice over the board.
  

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #72 - 08/15/13 at 03:45:55
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I was recently browsing through The Petroff - An Expert Repertoire for Black by Konstantin Sakaev (2011) in it he analyses the Quaade variation and concludes that black is better and it is White who must search for salvation.

Sakaev uses the game Zvjaginsev - Smirnov to illustrate his analysis, the key line centering around 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 f3 7.d4 Bb4!. His analysis seems convincing, so I am eager to comapre it with what Shaw has found when I get my hands on his book.

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