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Reply #46 - 02/18/11 at 02:43:36
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Nietzsche wrote on 11/03/08 at 19:41:46:
RE:  "Plenty of unpleasant nonsense written about the young fellow Hikaru Nakamura. Judging his character on random hearsay and ICC stuff. Please , please."


I know people who have played Nakamura and people who have been around while he makes an ass out of himself.  I can also read interviews where he speaks for himself.
This is not "random hearsay" nor "ICC stuff".  Winning a chess game doesn't mean you're a better person ; but I think Nakamura believes it does.

However, I agree with TopNotch that since he is still a young man, I should probably cut him a little slack in this regard.  If I was as good as he is at that age, I'd might have some attitude issues as well.  But that doesn't mean that Hikaru doesn't have an attitude problem.  It's just understandable.

He dominates in online blitz and somehow thinks this means he one of the world's absolute best chess players, but let's be honest, he just isn't.
Does anyone here think he is as good as Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, Ivanchuk, Morozevich, etc?
Does he play on the same level as other young stars like Carlsen, Radjabov, or Karjakin?

He is a tremendous player, of course, but he is just NOT in the elite.  He might get there, but right now - he isn't there.  

RE: "No big tournament results? Really? "


Yes, really.  
Name a tournament where he beat several top 10 players at classical chess and I'll retract that statement.
Corus B is just NOT Corus A.
 

When he wins Linares or Bilboa (or Corus A) come back to me.  
If he gets top score on board one at the Olympiad, I'll concede.

Again, compare his results to Carlsen or Radjabov.  
Those guys are in the top 10 for awhile and have won victories over the very best players in the world.  
There is no doubt that Nakamura is not at their level. (yet?)


I wanted to revive this thread ever since Naka took Corus A 2011 in an inspiring display of fighting chess, but I just couldn't track it down till now.

@ Nietzsche - It took 2 years, but I'm coming back to you. Any reflections? Smiley

Some other thread highlights:

[Nietzsche - 11/02/08 at 21:30:41(quote)]  Yeah, its a real shame that Nakamura doesn't have a better attitude.
The US really needs a top player to help revive interest here, but unfortunately, Nakamura (who could be an elite player)  really is arrogant, selfish, and derides other players. 

He wants an invitation to the highest caliber tournaments but he's not had the results to warrant it.  He won't be top 30 and not nearly as talented as other young superstars like Carlsen, Radjabov, or Karjakin. Personally, I think Vachier-Lagrave is a better player as well.  Anyway, he really seems to think he is god's gift to chess.
Oh well... 

[Smyslov Fan Quote] - Naka hasn't been getting any invitations to the big name tnmts.  He needs to do well at Corus to be taken seriously at the highest level. In order to become one of the elite, he will have to break even against the elite in a tournament that matters such as Corus, Biel, Dortmund, Linares or the World Championship. [End Quote]

Prophetic words.

[Andrew Brett 07/29/09 at 09:04:42 (Quote)] -The only reason Naka isn't 2750 is simply he hasn't played with the elite (not his fault). Just as Carlsen took about a year to get use to this level once he's cracked it , I expect great things of Naka. [End Quote]

So do I.

Next up Melody Amber.

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Re: Nakamura wins Cap d'Agde
Reply #45 - 08/30/09 at 09:25:54
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Plus that in this event specifically his opponents are not totally new to the phenomenon...
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #44 - 08/30/09 at 06:02:51
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/29/09 at 14:12:38:
Schaakmeister hit the nail on the head.

If we are to believe that a player is one of the ten best in the world, then he is responsible for which tournaments he plays in.  It was his choice.  I don't mean to suggest we should judge him by one poor result any more than we should judge him by one good one.  Let's see what a year of serious chess brings.


He lost again, now against Beliavsky, in a game he could have called a day 20 moves earlier. Truly a rough event for him.



  
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Re: Nakamura wins Cap d'Agde
Reply #43 - 08/29/09 at 14:12:38
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Schaakmeister hit the nail on the head.

If we are to believe that a player is one of the ten best in the world, then he is responsible for which tournaments he plays in.  It was his choice.  I don't mean to suggest we should judge him by one poor result any more than we should judge him by one good one.  Let's see what a year of serious chess brings.
  
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Re: Nakamura wins Cap d'Agde
Reply #42 - 08/28/09 at 11:29:40
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Bibs wrote on 08/28/09 at 08:28:04:
Schaakhamster wrote on 08/28/09 at 05:51:09:
Funny how Nakamura stirs discussions all around the internet any time he plays.

Anyway he has a rocky tournament at NH Chess in the Netherlands. He is sick though... .

I'm still on the fence about him. London and Wijk aan Zee will provide a lot more information. I do think he needs to set up camp in Europe for the time being.Eases the jetlag  Cool


Sick and jetlagged:
http://www.jca-chess.com/

Was here till just before the tourney in Amsterdam.

One can be handled, both is tough.


yes, but in the end he didn't have to play back to back tournaments in different parts of the world. As I said, he needs to stay in europe for extended part of the year. That is where the big tourneys are... .
  
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Reply #41 - 08/28/09 at 10:33:54
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Bibs wrote on 08/28/09 at 08:28:04:
Sick and jetlagged:
http://www.jca-chess.com/

Was here till just before the tourney in Amsterdam.

One can be handled, both is tough.

Apparently a symptom is to write in weird letters Wink

Personally I am not really impressed by Nakamura and expect to see more from other youngsters than of him. Eg Smeets who is playing quite impressively.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #40 - 08/28/09 at 08:28:04
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Schaakhamster wrote on 08/28/09 at 05:51:09:
Funny how Nakamura stirs discussions all around the internet any time he plays.

Anyway he has a rocky tournament at NH Chess in the Netherlands. He is sick though... .

I'm still on the fence about him. London and Wijk aan Zee will provide a lot more information. I do think he needs to set up camp in Europe for the time being.Eases the jetlag  Cool


Sick and jetlagged:
http://www.jca-chess.com/

Was here till just before the tourney in Amsterdam.

One can be handled, both is tough.
  
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Reply #39 - 08/28/09 at 05:51:09
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Funny how Nakamura stirs discussions all around the internet any time he plays.

Anyway he has a rocky tournament at NH Chess in the Netherlands. He is sick though... .

I'm still on the fence about him. London and Wijk aan Zee will provide a lot more information. I do think he needs to set up camp in Europe for the time being.Eases the jetlag  Cool
  
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Re: Nakamura wins Cap d'Agde
Reply #38 - 07/31/09 at 21:56:43
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dre wrote on 07/31/09 at 08:55:10:
The best and most talented chess players are those who are best at Fischer random chess. Classical chess is too much dependent on opening preparation and computer analysis. In classical chess it is not necessary the best player that wins, but the best prepared. If they are force to think themself, like in Fischer Random chess, none of the "elite" players can match Nakamura.


I smell a fanboy.

Clearly Nakamura's understanding of chess is superior to the likes of Kramnik, Anand, and Topalov when preparation goes out the window.  Roll Eyes

I personally think Nakamura will be climbing into the Top 10 in the near future, but let's not overstate things.
  

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Reply #37 - 07/31/09 at 11:10:22
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maybe aronian saved his energy for the match against anand,
still I think 0,5-3,5 is psychologically not a good score to start playing another tourney Smiley
  
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Reply #36 - 07/31/09 at 08:55:10
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The best and most talented chess players are those who are best at Fischer random chess. Classical chess is too much dependent on opening preparation and computer analysis. In classical chess it is not necessary the best player that wins, but the best prepared. If they are force to think themself, like in Fischer Random chess, none of the "elite" players can match Nakamura.
  
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Reply #35 - 07/31/09 at 06:36:57
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No one can deny that Nakamura has great potential.
But it is still potential when compared to elite players.  

As I said before, unless you think he is "easily" better than Morozevich (and seriously, there is no way) then relax the top 10 stuff.

Nakamura is amazing in rapid chess and apparently very, very good at Fischer Random. Wink

However....that doesn't mean he's the next Kasparov.
Players like Kasparov, Kramnik, Carlsen, and those sorts of "talented juniors" were already in the top 3 in the world when they were Naka's age.  
Actually, Carlsen is younger... but you get the point.

Even Carlsen isn't the next Kasparov!!   LOL
  

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Reply #34 - 07/31/09 at 02:09:12
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Look, I can tell easiness when I see it.

Back when Aronian was rated 2570 or so, I kept saying he was one of the most talented players on the planet.
And I still think he's a potential world champ.

Now a guy who beats Aronian 3,5-0,5 and regularly knocks out Vachier-Lagrave,
be it rapid, 960 or whatever, clearly has the patterns hardwired.

Back in 81 when Kasparov was rated 2630, couldn't you tell a brutal force was rising?
Ok, that's maybe going too far; maybe not.
  
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Reply #33 - 07/30/09 at 23:00:26
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Uruk wrote on 07/30/09 at 20:34:23:
Maybe he knew better: he just trashed Aronian in Mainz.

Easily top ten in my opinion.



I don't quite know what you mean by "easily top ten".  Is Aronian easily in the top ten (in the world, in standard chess)?

Was the game?

Most improbably, are you really suggesting on the strength of Nakamura's recent success that he belongs in the top ten in the world without having regularly competed against the top ten?

  
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Reply #32 - 07/30/09 at 21:54:18
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RE: "Easily top ten in my opinion. "

Umm...you mean top ten in Chess 960 (a.k.a Fischer Random)?
Right? Shocked

Otherwise you'd have to say Nakamura is "easily" better than Morozevich!! (i.e. the current number 10).
Which, I hope, is NOT what you're saying.  
Because that's what is referred to as "crazy talk". Grin
  

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