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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #14 - 11/26/08 at 18:12:53
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Lasker-Tarrasch was 16 games, Lasker-Schlechter, 10.  Personally I think that 16 games should be enough.  I doubt in any case that we'll ever see more than that again, given commercial considerations.
  

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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #13 - 11/26/08 at 15:15:38
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/19/08 at 04:34:27:
However, some statisticians did the work and proved that a 12 game match should be sufficient to prove who is the better player.  This is the point of a world championship, isn't it?


Yes, but as many world championship matches have proved, each player improves throughout the match so he is a different player from the start. That is why 24-game can become so exciting. Even though he didn't deserve it, I would have loved to see Kramnik attempt a come-back. 12 matches is much too short. Snooker still has 35 frames (up to 73! before).
  
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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #12 - 11/19/08 at 14:10:20
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11 games is enough.    Wink
  

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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #11 - 11/19/08 at 10:12:21
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If stat according to Seirawan proves that 12 games is sufficient I don´t mind the current system.

The reduction of games played may be evil, but a necessary evil based on the developments with

a) better chances for players to go for a draw following the ongoing development of theory and computer enhanced analysis and
b) the commercial side of the game, which may not be neglected.

In the K&K match modus Kramnik probably wouldn´t accept the pawn sac of game 3, but instead go for a draw and beef up his theoretical knowledge afterwards. Perhaps it is good that he couldn´t do so in this game, because he only had six white chances (only five really, because his first game was a complete waste).
  

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Reply #10 - 11/19/08 at 08:56:20
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I would prefer AT LEAST 16 games but no more than 24. It would just be too tiring for the players to go on that long.
  
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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #9 - 11/19/08 at 08:47:23
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/19/08 at 04:34:27:
As a spectator, I would love to see a 16 or 24 game match.  However, some statisticians did the work and proved that a 12 game match should be sufficient to prove who is the better player.  This is the point of a world championship, isn't it? 

I don't remember where I read it first, but I'm pretty sure that Yasser Seirawan quoted the research several years ago.

Probably the same statisticians that proved that Fischer's proposal was more fair to challenger Wink

I personally dont really care. I think a tournament WC is as good as matches.
  

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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #8 - 11/19/08 at 08:11:04
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I think 16 games is about right.  12 seems short -- perhaps it is enough to be statistically significant, but 16 would be better.  I also enjoy the matches for the games, as much as deciding the winner.  The more games that we get, the better.  Still, recent memories make me content to simply have championship matches...

(Also, I would say "The calm before the storm" but certainly the idiom is there.)
  
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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #7 - 11/19/08 at 04:34:27
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As a spectator, I would love to see a 16 or 24 game match.  However, some statisticians did the work and proved that a 12 game match should be sufficient to prove who is the better player.  This is the point of a world championship, isn't it? 

I don't remember where I read it first, but I'm pretty sure that Yasser Seirawan quoted the research several years ago.
  
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Reply #6 - 11/19/08 at 00:12:29
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16 is imo the absolute minimum. During the (in)famous K-K matches I did not mind a lifeless draw now and then - I knew that it was just the silence before the storm (if this proverb exists in English as well).
  

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Reply #5 - 11/18/08 at 20:24:21
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Chess is somewhat related to the nth power of 2.
64 is 2 to the power of 6.
And 16 is 2 to the power of 4.
So 16 games fits the game quite well Smiley
  
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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #4 - 11/18/08 at 18:55:35
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I also grown up with those giant K-K battles. I even was a spectator of the unlimited match. I think that 24 games are too much, but may be 16 is a good choice. One problem with long matches is semmercialisation and from the other point of view the expenses are too big.
  
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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #3 - 11/18/08 at 18:32:49
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Laramonet wrote on 11/02/08 at 18:26:20:
If that is commercially viable, from the sponsor's view, it would be my ideal.


I agree with you and the others ... I find a 12 game match too short.  The trouble is, I suspect, that longer matches aren't commercially viable just now.

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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #2 - 11/18/08 at 16:21:56
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I am from the generation that grew with the K-K matches and I must say I still find the 24 games system the most adequate to design the world champion.
By the way, I also regret the old candidates system and the 3-years cycles used to choose the challenger.
  

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Re: Length of world title match
Reply #1 - 11/03/08 at 05:52:22
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Laramonet wrote on 11/02/08 at 18:26:20:
I have been reading Kasparov's  'How Life Imitates Chess'. He talks about not realising quickly enough that he did not have sufficient time to adjust to the Berlin. He implies that his arrogance, or excessive self-confidence, did not allow him to do so and when he realised he felt as though it was already impossible. This was a 16 game match versus Kramnik. Does anyone else feel that the 12 game matches are two short ? Leko Kramnik and Topalov Kramnik seemed to work okay because the fight was always very close. However, this time when Anand won a second game with black it felt like an anti-climax because it seemed over already. My own feeling is that the 24 game format of previous years allowed enough time for the pendulum to swing back and forth several times but was short enough to encourage decisive play. If that is commercially viable, from the sponsor's view, it would be my ideal. What does everyone else think ?


I prefer a best-of-24 game match, although I am too young to have ever seen one live. 12 is much too short, but 18-20 I could live with.
  
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Length of world title match
11/02/08 at 18:26:20
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I have been reading Kasparov's  'How Life Imitates Chess'. He talks about not realising quickly enough that he did not have sufficient time to adjust to the Berlin. He implies that his arrogance, or excessive self-confidence, did not allow him to do so and when he realised he felt as though it was already impossible. This was a 16 game match versus Kramnik. Does anyone else feel that the 12 game matches are two short ? Leko Kramnik and Topalov Kramnik seemed to work okay because the fight was always very close. However, this time when Anand won a second game with black it felt like an anti-climax because it seemed over already. My own feeling is that the 24 game format of previous years allowed enough time for the pendulum to swing back and forth several times but was short enough to encourage decisive play. If that is commercially viable, from the sponsor's view, it would be my ideal. What does everyone else think ?
  
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