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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #140 - 02/18/10 at 15:14:11
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I think Black is okay, but White can always find some practical resources to cause Black problems. Of course, the other main choice of 13. Rc1 is also worth a punt as well. You have to sack the pawn in my opinion though.
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #139 - 02/18/10 at 14:58:21
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Markovich wrote on 02/18/10 at 14:26:24:
BPaulsen wrote on 02/18/10 at 13:10:52:
9. Ne1/10. Be3/13. a4 is met by a5, where black's been okay for some time now.

It's viable, just don't expect anything against a prepared black opponent.


I have no doubt that BPaulen here, as always, knowledgeably reports the state of current theory.  It seems to me though that when preparing opening systems we also develop our own theory.  It's not as if chess has been solved, after all.  Nor does everyone have exactly the same understanding of how it should be played, particularly in difficult positions like those that arise in the KID Classical.  Furthermore, given that current theory is constantly being revised, I'm not sure how much it should guide our own opening researches. 

So my suggestion is, now that you know that current theory considers Black's resources adequate in this line, nevertheless take serious look at it yourself and see if you can find any useful ideas for White.  "Useful" according to your own lights, that is.

If you do that, I don't think I would be quite as sure as BPaulsen is that you'll have no chances against prepared opposition.


I played that line for a few years, my first win ever against an IM (he's now GM Barcenilla) came as white in it.

I definitely tried to keep it alive, maybe something new is produced, but I couldn't beat anything that's been recommended as the theoretical antidote for awhile now.
  

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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #138 - 02/18/10 at 14:54:19
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Templare2,

The Krasenkow system is an excellent practical weapon and is consistent with a 1. Nf3 move order. It may not give the so called += that everyone seems to obsess about. But in the hands of a specialist, it will probably yield better practical results than the Bayonet and the other more theoretically significant lines.
  

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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #137 - 02/18/10 at 14:26:24
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BPaulsen wrote on 02/18/10 at 13:10:52:
9. Ne1/10. Be3/13. a4 is met by a5, where black's been okay for some time now.

It's viable, just don't expect anything against a prepared black opponent.


I have no doubt that BPaulen here, as always, knowledgeably reports the state of current theory.  It seems to me though that when preparing opening systems we also develop our own theory.  It's not as if chess has been solved, after all.  Nor does everyone have exactly the same understanding of how it should be played, particularly in difficult positions like those that arise in the KID Classical.  Furthermore, given that current theory is constantly being revised, I'm not sure how much it should guide our own opening researches. 

So my suggestion is, now that you know that current theory considers Black's resources adequate in this line, nevertheless take serious look at it yourself and see if you can find any useful ideas for White.  "Useful" according to your own lights, that is.

If you do that, I don't think I would be quite as sure as BPaulsen is that you'll have no chances against prepared opposition.
  

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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #136 - 02/18/10 at 13:10:52
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9. Ne1/10. Be3/13. a4 is met by a5, where black's been okay for some time now.

It's viable, just don't expect anything against a prepared black opponent.
  

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QUESTIONS FOR KID EXPERTS ( for White side)
Reply #135 - 02/18/10 at 09:59:50
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I haven't a repertoire against the KID. I played different systems like the Saemisch, the Averbach or off-beat lines i.e. Bd3 and Nge2.

I would like to study this opening seriusly. My first move usually is 1. Nf3 so I'd like to study the classical variation. The Markus book suggest the Korcnoj Variation so i ask you:

1) Is this line still viable for a player around 2000 ELO?
2) I'm  a suscriber of chess pub. In addition to Golubev files, there are others games usefull to upgrade the book?

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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #134 - 11/24/09 at 21:45:10
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I guess that "Kill KID" (http://www.amazon.com/Kill-K-I-D-v-Semko-Semkov/dp/9548782707)may be interpreted the same way...
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #133 - 11/24/09 at 21:28:07
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I have been reading this book for about 3 weeks. I have taken it to work and what not. I never noticed that the title Says, "Beat the KID". To anyone who is not a chess player this must seem like a strange title. I'll have to ask some of my coworkers if they have noticed.
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #132 - 09/11/09 at 05:03:54
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Hello:

No, just prose and variations. Goes to ca. move 20 in many lines but not complete games.

Gerry
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #131 - 09/09/09 at 13:39:29
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Is this book based on complete model games ?
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #130 - 06/18/09 at 08:47:15
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by the way beat the kid seems the perfect title for a book about violoence on children! Cheesy
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #129 - 03/04/09 at 22:36:47
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This book is unusual. Some sublines are ignored, or next to nothing is said about them. But other lines (most topical ones, as a rule) are covered brilliantly. For many readers a book where little bit is said about everything would be less useful.
  
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #128 - 03/04/09 at 20:27:01
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Yes, I'm a little unclear from the review as to whether he covers those "safe" lines well and lays out his case.

Thanks very much for responding.
  

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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #127 - 03/04/09 at 17:38:09
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Hi.

I think it is a reference to chapter 14 which deals with "....9.Ne1 Nd7/Ne8 10. f3 f5 11.g4.

Quote from Markov

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He (A: Black) has to suppress his attacking instincts and reorient himself, as the game is going to have a positional character.
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Re: "Beat the King's Indian" by Jan Markos
Reply #126 - 03/04/09 at 13:39:57
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I just read the review before coming here. What interests me is Hansen's quote:

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...[White players] loathe having their king under strong attack. However, many of them do not know that even in the 9.Ne1 line there are safe sub-systems with a very positional character.


Can anyone who owns the book attest to the value of such coverage in the book ? Are there really safe "sub-systems" here?
  

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