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Re: e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
Reply #7 - 11/15/08 at 11:48:45
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As black I found the Be2 lines in the Taimanov difficult. White can choose a solid setup and it is very difficult to gain something against it.
  

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Re: e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
Reply #6 - 11/13/08 at 23:48:35
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Maybe the Geller Gambit is an idea. It's quite dubious but at the other hand strategy is very simple: rely on active piece play. So you get 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 e6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Be2 Bb4 7.0-0.
Of course 6...d6 directly transposes to the Classical Scheveningen. Instead of the normal course of play you may consider 7.Be3 followed by 8.f4 and an early g2-g4. Again its somewhat dubious, because Black can strike back in the centre, but if Black doesn't White's attack can become menacing.
  

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Re: e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
Reply #5 - 11/13/08 at 21:46:41
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MilenPetrov wrote on 11/13/08 at 19:15:28:
I think that instead on focusing on long variations at this level u should focus on general understanding of the ideas, plans and pawn structures. What is the idea to teach him to remember 15 or 20 moves of theory when someone will devert on move 6 and then he/she should think himself. So better avoid these long opening variations and concentrate on general chess understanding.

I agree long theory is not the answer. We do indeed work on general chess understanding mostly (as well as calculation and time management). But I can't just do nothing when he happily plays 2.Nf3, 3.d4 and gets slaughtered again and again. Really my aim is merely to reach relatively safe positions, between move 7 to 15, where I can leave him to think on his own, maybe with some standard plans for both sides in his mental toolkit.

@zoo You describe the problem perfectly. Maybe I should recommend the 4 Knights as Black!? Actually 6.a3 is not completely stupid; it was recommended in "Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian". White can delay castling (maybe go long) and play an early f4-g4. I am seriously considering this. Another option to make it really easy/non-theoretical is to just go 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bd3 and play chess. This is an inferior 5...a6-Taimanov, but at 1500 level who cares? Smiley
  

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Reply #4 - 11/13/08 at 19:29:41
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I see what you mean, in your move order the 4 knights can be pesky if you neither play 6. Nb5 (intending Bb4 a3, but allowing the sveshnikov) nor that lame 6. Nxc6.  Indeed other variations tend to give Black more than his share of fun, especially if White buys an attack (against him) for the price of an exchange or a Ke7. If you play Be3 and Be2/d3, Black will get a great taimanov with Bb4 and d5, and if you play a3 to stop Bb4, Black will just be a tempo up in a Scheveningen, giving him Nxd4,b5,Bb7 for free. Since 5. Ndb5 d6 6. Be3 a6 7. Na3 Rb8! is also an improved sveshnikov for Black, I don't see how White can profitably avoid 5. Ndb5 or 5. Nxc6 in the 4 knights. Hopefully others will have better ideas ?

PS. of course Milen Petrov is right ! 
 
  
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Re: e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
Reply #3 - 11/13/08 at 19:15:28
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I think that instead on focusing on long variations at this level u should focus on general understanding of the ideas, plans and pawn structures. What is the idea to teach him to remember 15 or 20 moves of theory when someone will devert on move 6 and then he/she should think himself. So better avoid these long opening variations and concentrate on general chess understanding.
  
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Re: e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
Reply #2 - 11/13/08 at 15:47:59
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Thanks for your thoughts, zoo.
Actually, we are already avoiding the Sveshnikov with 2.Nc3 (2...Nc6 3.Bb5; 2...e6 3.Nf3! and 4.d4) so it would not make sense to then allow it via the rarer 4 Knights move order.

Maybe I should mention that my student is only at a level of maybe 1500 FIDE. He insists on playing the Open Sicilian even though so far he has lost almost every game horribly; I believe this is a bad idea on his level because the Open Sicilian demands so much of both players, and Black is almost certain to understand his or her pet line better. This 2.Nc3 move order is our "compromise". 

Maybe it's just me, but both the Sveshnikov, the Classical Scheveningen and 6.Nxc6 in the 4 Knights are lines I (at ca. 2150) have found difficult to play for White, so my guess is it is even more difficult on a lower level. Certainly "not much risk for White at any level" doesn't apply! If you check a database I think you will find that both the Sveshnikov and the 4 Knights score very well for Black below master level.
  

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Reply #1 - 11/13/08 at 15:05:00
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a first advice would be to propose 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 rather than 3. d4, as this cuts off some options for Black while keeping the possibility to play mainline sicilians.  

In the 4 knights, the Sveshnikov can arise after 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 cd 5. Nd4 Nf6  when White plays 6. Ndb5 allowing 6...d6 7. Bf4 e5 8. Bg5 etc. If you don't want this, you can propose 6. Nxc6 bc 7. e5 Nd5 8. Ne4 which is a 4knights mainline.

In the Scheveningen proper, the classical main line with Be2,Be3, a4, Kh1 suggests itself ; a rich opening for both sides, your student is sure to learn a lot of things (not just moves) if she takes this path.
You can perhaps complement this with the equivalent Be3,Be2 against the taimanov, aiming for the famous (and straightforward) line with Bb4 Na4 (check which) ?

Against an early ...b5 by Black, just play like in Experts with Bd2 & a4: very sound, easy to play and to understand.   

On a final note : unless your student is concerned about making too many draws against Leko or Radjabov, why avoid the sveshnikov ? there are many lines where White liquidates the queenside and Black has to run after a draw with a pawn less in a drawish endgame (if he plays well), not much risk for White at any level here.
  
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e6 Sicilians, consistent White repertoire
11/13/08 at 14:05:38
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Cheers Chesspubbers!

I am trying to build a White repertoire against the various e6 Sicilians for a young student, and I have decided to start with the Kan/Taimanov lines recommended by SB Hansen in "Experts vs the Sicilian":
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Nc3 b5/Qc7 6.Bd3
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Be3 a6 7.Bd3

I will not necessarily follow every tactical line Hansen gives and may choose some quieter options later on. My focus for the time being is to make the repertoire easy to understand and play, not on proving a theoretical edge (though obviously I don't want to recommend lines that give Black the advantage either!) 

But I also need lines against the Scheveningen and the 4 Knights, and the "Experts" lines seem too difficult for my purposes (I don't want to allow the Sveshnikov, for one thing). Any suggestions for lines that fit my criteria, maybe with some thematic similarity to the Kan/Taimanov lines? I am considering either 6.Bd3 or 6.f4/7.Qf3 against the Scheveningen, if anyone has a good reason to avoid these that's useful info as well.

Thanks in advance!
  

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