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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #9 - 03/10/09 at 23:02:30
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I think the old main line after 12.g3 is 12... c6 as mentioned before and seems quite forced as shows this game:

[Event "Liechtenstein op 12th"]
[Site "Liechtenstein"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Donaldson, John W"]
[Black "Arakhamia Grant, Ketevan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E97"]
[WhiteElo "2425"]
[BlackElo "2485"]
[PlyCount "43"]
[EventDate "1994.05.??"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "LIE"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1996.11.15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5
Ne7 9. b4 Nh5 10. g3 f5 11. Ng5 Nf6 12. f3 c6 13. Be3 h6 14. Ne6 Bxe6 15. dxe6
Ne8 16. Qb3 Nc7 17. Rad1 Kh7 18. c5 d5 19. exd5 Nexd5 20. Bc4 Nxe3 21. Rxd8
Rfxd8 22. Re1 1/2-1/2

In those 90's days this one was a "Dangerous Weapon" and gave me a lot of points as white (only Van Welly was playing this line and was almost unknown for the masses at club level).
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #8 - 12/14/08 at 14:08:48
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Mikhail_Golubev wrote on 12/13/08 at 23:31:47:
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there are some notes to Van Wely-Radjabov, 2008

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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #7 - 12/13/08 at 23:31:47
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there are some notes to Van Wely-Radjabov, 2008
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #6 - 12/02/08 at 09:44:48
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Willempie wrote on 11/20/08 at 17:32:08:
TonyRo wrote on 11/20/08 at 13:29:59:
I don't know if this is too worrying. 

24. Ne8 seems to be the new move here, as everything up to that was at least detailed in Gallagher's book. That said, instead of the move 29. Qh2, which seems to give White some time to unravel, what about just 29...Nf6 right away, the point being 30. Bxe5 Rxe2+! 31. Qxe2 Qg5+, with a nice position for Black? White shouldn't take, but even after something like 30. Re1 Ng4 31. Qxc5 Qxe4, Black is my choice. I don't know about you guys. White's king is on d2, Black's pieces are very actively placed, White's can barely move, and material is equal. Let me know if I missed something.  Grin

I really dont see it. 29...Nf6 30. Re1 Ng4 31.Qd3 and white is still much better. The knight is tied to g4 for the moment and there isnt much constructive he can do. White just consolidates and starts grabbing pawns on the q-side.

Well I think Black has no problems in this line... after 31.Qd3 Black should just push his h-pawn forward and don't care about queenside pawns. When the pawn is on h2, white is probably forced to give a perpetual check. For example: 31...h4 32.Qd7+ Kh6 33.Qxb7 h3 34.Bc1 h2 35.Kc3+ g5 36.Bxg4 Qxg4 and sooner or later either side will give perpetual check.
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #5 - 11/21/08 at 22:32:15
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26. Qb3 looks interesting

26...Qf4+ 27. Kd1 Qxe4 28. Qc4 Rxe2 29. Qxe2 Qd4+ 30. Qd2 Qg4+ 31. Kc2 Qc8+ 32. Kb1 Qxe8 33. a4 Qd7 34. d6 Nf5 35. Ba3 Nd4 with a mess! After analyzing it for a while, it seems as though White has some problems in this position.
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #4 - 11/21/08 at 22:19:33
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Black has a draw. One way is instead of 24...h5:

24...d5! 25. cxd5 Rg2 26. Nxg7 Nxd5 27. exd5 Qf4+ 28. Kc2 Qc4+ 29. Kd2 Qf4+
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #3 - 11/20/08 at 17:32:08
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TonyRo wrote on 11/20/08 at 13:29:59:
I don't know if this is too worrying. 

24. Ne8 seems to be the new move here, as everything up to that was at least detailed in Gallagher's book. That said, instead of the move 29. Qh2, which seems to give White some time to unravel, what about just 29...Nf6 right away, the point being 30. Bxe5 Rxe2+! 31. Qxe2 Qg5+, with a nice position for Black? White shouldn't take, but even after something like 30. Re1 Ng4 31. Qxc5 Qxe4, Black is my choice. I don't know about you guys. White's king is on d2, Black's pieces are very actively placed, White's can barely move, and material is equal. Let me know if I missed something.  Grin

I really dont see it. 29...Nf6 30. Re1 Ng4 31.Qd3 and white is still much better. The knight is tied to g4 for the moment and there isnt much constructive he can do. White just consolidates and starts grabbing pawns on the q-side.
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #2 - 11/20/08 at 13:29:59
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I don't know if this is too worrying. 

24. Ne8 seems to be the new move here, as everything up to that was at least detailed in Gallagher's book. That said, instead of the move 29. Qh2, which seems to give White some time to unravel, what about just 29...Nf6 right away, the point being 30. Bxe5 Rxe2+! 31. Qxe2 Qg5+, with a nice position for Black? White shouldn't take, but even after something like 30. Re1 Ng4 31. Qxc5 Qxe4, Black is my choice. I don't know about you guys. White's king is on d2, Black's pieces are very actively placed, White's can barely move, and material is equal. Let me know if I missed something.  Grin
  
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Re: Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
Reply #1 - 11/20/08 at 11:13:58
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Although Van Wely won convincingly against Radjabov, I don't think it buries the entire 10.g3 variation just yet. Given that 12...f4 is the main line for Black, it certainly puts the ball firmly back in Black's court.

Is there anything wrong with 12...c6 instead?

  
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Bayonet attack the old fashioned way
11/17/08 at 10:43:41
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I was playing through this game, where Van Wely takes on Radjabov in his old love the g3 bayonet. It seems his move 20 may cast serious doubt on this line for black:

[Event "38th Olympiad"]
[Site "Dresden GER"]
[Date "2008.11.15"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Van Wely,L"]
[Black "Radjabov,T"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9. b4 Nh5 10. g3 f5 11. Ng5 Nf6 12. f3 f4 13. b5 h6 14. Ne6 Bxe6 15.dxe6 fxg3 16. hxg3 Qc8 17. Nd5 Qxe6 18. Nxc7 Qh3 19. Rf2 Nxe4 20. fxe4 Rxf2 21. Kxf2 Rf8+ 22. Ke3 Qxg3+ 23. Kd2 Rf2 24. Ne8 h5 25. Nxg7 Kxg7 26. Qb3 Qg2 27. Qe3 Ng8 28. c5 dxc5 29. Bb2 Qh2 30. Re1 Nf6 31. Kd1 b6 32. Bc3 Kh7 33. Qg5 Nxe4 34. Qe7+ Kh6 35. Bxe5 Rf7 36. Qe8 Rd7+ 37. Kc2 Rd2+ 38. Kb1 Qf2 39. Rf1 Rxe2 40. Qh8+ Kg5 41. Rxf2 Rxf2 42. Bb8 Rf5 43. Bxa7 c4 44. Bxb6 Rxb5+ 45. Kc2 Rxb6 46. Qe5+ Kh6 47. Qxe4 g5 48. a4 Rf6 49. a5 g4 50. Kc3 Kg5 51. Qe5+ Kg6 52. Qe4+ Kg5 53. Qb7 g3 54. a6 1-0

So another thing to worry about for you KIDders Wink
  
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