My response there was:

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My assessment at this point is that although Black has equality it's certainly tricky, not only getting there but also playing it, and represents White's best effort to cause Black problems after 3...g6 (Under "Sneaky Gruenfeld" in his book.) [/quote]

Dear Mr. Snow,
thank you very much indeed for sharing your analysis. I think this way to meet tha Grunfeld Anti Colle is very effective. Powerbooks and others silicon trees tend to agree with a performance a way beyond 2800! The plan of playing Be2 delaying moving the queen's knight and play e4 is very strong. Imho better than transposing in the main line of e3 Grunfeld.
I've a piquant for the 10.d5 push in the line you gave, but I agree that Nbd2 is positionally stronger. Your 11.dxc6 is tempting but I think 11.Nbd2 is more cunning. Moreover Black can deviate early with 8...c5 seeking a lively piece play with f5 to follow if white reacts with d5. Even a pure Benoni scheme with e6 seems solid.
When I'll manage to understand how to do...I'll post some analisys! 
Black can even choose to transpose into the main line of Schelechter playing early a timely c6. What's your (and Mr. Rudel) opinion? I still haven't found t way to force Schelechter variation in an anyrate sharp struggle. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. Thanks in advance
James Ells

I would think 5...Qc6 should be OK for Black.  Probably having played ...e6 rather ...Nf6 already gives him added flexibility for example in the Ne5 and g4 variations g5 doesn't hit a Night on f6 or ...Nxd6, dxe5 once again there is no Knight attacked.

After 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c6 3.e3 Bg4 4.c4, I like the idea of the dynamic option  of a Dutch Stonewall with the Bishop outside the pawn chain but keep in mind Black may not have time for this if White plays an early Qb3.  Black should be fine of course with perhaps something like 4...e6 5.Qb3 Qb6 or maybe there's another good way of defending the b-pawn.

Certainly 2...c6, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3, has the added benefit of keeping the f-pawn free as MNb points out.  However, if you answer 1.Nf3 with 1...Nf6 then after 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6, does White really have any real alternative (speaking in terms of trying to get an advantage) to playing 4.c4?

From the black side is 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6 anything to fear for white or is it simply not as good as the afore mentioned g6 or Bf5?

i'm a semi-slav player who really doesnt like having to play against the Colle but if 3...c6 isnt all that good I'm going to have to look at Bf5 i think as an alternative.

Any thoughts?

kylemeister wrote on 12/29/08 at 00:45:50:


Rudel gives analysis on 5...0-0 6.Be2 and now 6...Bf5, 6...Bg4, and 6...b6 concluding that White is better.  His mainline with 5...Nxd5 is 6.e4 Nb6 7.a4!! a5 8.Bb5+ which is a nice sequence of moves designed to lesson the pressure on d4.  Obviously with 5...0-0 6.Be2 Nxd5 that is impossible and I think Black is OK here.  I also looked at 5...0-0 6.h3 for White but came to the conclusion Black was doing well there too.  Certainly the safest thing for White to do is to go into one of the e3/Nf3 Gruenfeld lines as recommended by Palliser in his book Starting out: the colle.  By the way, wanted to mention that I don't receive any compensation for mentioning Palliser's books!  I just like them.

dmp4373 wrote:
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This is certainly a good try for White but there is a big problem in my opinion.  Black can simply play 5...0-0 and capture the pawn on the next move.  Rudel only covers Black making a gambit out of it.  I posted this on Rudel's C-Z forum but no ideas for White have been posted.  Having said that I don't regret my decision to buy the book.  As can be seen, I don't agree with the author on everything but one wanting to follow a decent slightly offbeat repertoire could do a lot worse than to follow some of the suggestions in Rudel's book and in his online articles and posts.  For what it's worth I also bought Palliser's  Starting out: d-pawn attacks and I like that as well. 

My advice is if you're an up and coming player who's hoping to go far then study the main lines but for a club player who's been stuck at 1500 (for example) for over 8 years then these variations might be something that could be understood and played with relative success.

The two main reasons why I gave up Colle was following two lines. Did Pallisar manage to show a winning plan for white in these line

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5

I had his earlier book which couldn't satisfy me in these lines. The line 2 is played in top level with Nh4 idea etc. But I play Colle to avoid main lines; so it didn't help.