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Reply #34 - 02/20/09 at 02:29:08
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Welcome, especially if you like football (see Chit chat). Could you provide us with some sample lines? That makes a debate easier.
  

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Reply #33 - 02/19/09 at 13:39:09
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Hello and Sorry. Moved by the enthusiasm I have not submitted. I am a player of 2040 Fide, and live in Valencia, Spain.
Try to improve my English, sorry.
  
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Reply #32 - 02/19/09 at 13:36:22
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I am a player with the Dutch black and I do not see much problem in playing with white Bd3 (and perhaps b3 and Bb2) Ne5 (at some point not too distant) followed by f4 constructing the stone-wall with a time of more . Only for this variant does not seem a bad use and Moreover is the most aggressive I've seen against Grunfeld / Colle.
I know that the black can not avoid it!
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Reply #31 - 02/11/09 at 20:42:42
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Regarding the Snow/Rudel discussion
1.d4,d5 2.Nf3,Nf6 3.e3,g6 4.c4,Bg7 5.cxd5,0-0
The oldest game reaching this position is Bird-Blackburn (New York 1889)
so perhaps we could call this the Blackburn variation Smiley
6.Be2,Nxd5
7.e4 (Here the 1889 game diverges with 7.Nc3)
7...Nb6
8.0-0

This is perhaps Whites best but certainly most practical answer if only to avoid massive theoretical discussions, as 8.Nc3,Nc6 9.Be3,Bg4 or 8.Nc3,Bg4 9.Be3,Nc6
(by transposition) leads to a well know grunfeld position
involving Korchnoi and Dorfmann(among other GMs on the white side, and Kasparov, Svidler, J.Polgar and Vallejo Pons in the Black camp.
8.Nc3,Nc6 9.Be3,Bg4 10.d5,Na5 11.Bd4,Bxf3 12.gxf3,Qd6 13.Bxg7,Kxg7= as Korchnoi-Kasparov, Wyk aan Zee/Corus, 2000
8......Nc6  
(8....Bg4 and 8...c5 have also been played)
9.Be3,      
(9.d5,Ne5 10.Nxe5,Bxe5 11.Nd2,Qd6 is playable for black Roessel-Baerman, corr. 2000)
9.......Bg4
10.Nd2,f5
11.d5,fxe4
(with lively pieceplay)
The following game from this position is interesting
Vunder-Kopasov, St.Petersburg (RUS), 2007::
12.dxc6 exf 13.Bxf3,Bxf3 14.Nf3,Qxd1 15.Raxd1,Bxb2
16.cxb7 (imo an inaccurate moveorder: better 16.Rb1,Ba3 17.cxb7)
16......., Rb8
17.Rb1 ,
17......  , Ba3
(17...Na4!? 18.Bxa7 Rxb7 19.Be3,c5= which is why 16.Rb1 is more accurate)
18.Rb3 ,        
18........, Bd6!
(only move)
19.a4!  , a5     (I definitely preferr white here)
20.Rb5 , Rxb7 =          
(I like 20.Nd4 with the idea 20...Rxb7?! 21.Nc6 and how is black to get his b7-rook into play again)
  
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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
Reply #30 - 02/11/09 at 17:03:17
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Edited:
I'm interested in: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 (d6) 4.Bf4
White plays in 150 attack style but without e4 played.
Is this covered in D-pawn attacks book?


The answer is YES, the 2 lines of the 150 Attack are covered (3...Bg7/d6 4.e4, and 3...d5 4.Bf4). The coverage is lighter than the Colle, but there is maybe less materiel, after all. I'm really happy with the explanations of the line 3...d5 4.Bf4, but I would really have appreciated more about the Pirc line (3..Bg7 4.e4 (nothing else examined here))
  
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Reply #29 - 02/05/09 at 11:43:09
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I'm interested in: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 (d6) 4.Bf4

White plays in 150 attack style but without e4 played.

Is this covered in D-pawn attacks book?

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Reply #28 - 01/18/09 at 17:26:16
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Ive went through both Palliser's New Book Stating Out D-Pawn Attacks and Rudels Zuke'em, and find them both to be quite interesting. As an aspiring Colle player, both text have there advantages.
I like Rudel book because of the insight and simple straight forward ideas he presents behind the move. (Subject to debate in some cases, but that is good also!)
Palliser's book is a great companion to Starting out: The Colle. His analysis is solid and concise. There is alot of information In his books that well take time to go through, digest and debate.
If I had to recommend three books on the Colle I dont think you could do any better. Along with this outstanding forum and Rudels site Colle players have a lot to be happy about.
  (In addition: The Colle player would also be happy with the Chess Base program by Olienkov on the Colle sytem.)
  
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Reply #27 - 01/18/09 at 11:43:48
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Michele,

Will you please stop posting in all caps.
  

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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
Reply #26 - 01/18/09 at 02:56:57
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THE PROBLEM WITH D5 WHEN WHITE HAS NOT PLAYED NC3 IS THAT BLACK CANNOT CAPTURE AT C3,... RESHEVSKY SHOWED THAT YOU CAN RETREAT THE KNIGHT IN SOME CASES,... BUT THAT WAS MORE A RESULT OF HIS TALENT,... BOTVINNIK / SMYSLOV WOULD NOT EVEN ALLOW THE POSITION ON THE BOARD.
  
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Reply #25 - 01/09/09 at 20:21:51
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Michael Ayton wrote on 01/08/09 at 18:21:09:
Hi James,

Could you -- without, obviously, unethically quoting too much analysis from Rudel's book -- give a few lines here?


Hi Michael,
I can't quote analysis of Mr. Rudel book - in a ethically way of course - because I don't have the book. I read the preface of GM Summerscale in my local chess store. Then I discovered, thanks to Mr. Snow post above, the ZuK'em forum, the very nice Mr. Rudel'S website  and the excerpts of his book. So, starting from Glenn Snow post, I've worked out some lines find and analysing games in databases. We can discuss some lines, if you want to, just tell me which ones, but I can't simply quoting anything from Zuk'em. Sorry.  I apologize for my english too.
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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
Reply #24 - 01/08/09 at 18:21:09
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Hi James,

Could you -- without, obviously, unethically quoting too much analysis from Rudel's book -- give a few lines here?
  
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Reply #23 - 01/08/09 at 15:53:35
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Glenn Snow wrote on 01/08/09 at 12:31:08:
I wasn't sure if you'd misread it or not.  Smiley  I just didn't want to take credit for someone's work.  5...0-0 was actually played against me in an ICC blitz game but I don't remember who.  I'm not sure when the move was first played but it was sometime ago.  

I'm not sure which plan is best either against the Schelechter either.  But if you're wanting a sharp struggle maybe you shouldn't be playing 3.e3.  I'm not sure there is a good way for White to sharpen the struggle in this variation.


Ok so everything is well what ends well (o something like that...sorry for my poor english). I've read the foreword of GM Summerscale to Rudel's book, and I want to congratulate with Mr. Rudel for his smart idea against the "Sneaky Grunfeld" . Good job indeed!
I discovered that Smith and Hall have named this variation too. They offered instead a reversed Catalan with an extra move to trouble Black.
I'll dig with it! Seems interesting, what do you think? I'm asking because they often...miss...something in their books.  Smiley
When I was a child I believed there were Winning Openings or Attacking - Killing - Blasting openings. Today I'm sure I was wrong. Maybe the Geller gambit is more suited for a sharp struggle in the Slav, but I trust I can seek the fight and a razored game even with e3, as GMs games shows. The slow Slav can leads to a complicated clash, like in the Latvian or in the main line if white castles long. It's enough for me: no early simplyfications and a decent attacking possibilities.
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Reply #22 - 01/08/09 at 12:31:08
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I wasn't sure if you'd misread it or not.  Smiley  I just didn't want to take credit for someone's work.  5...0-0 was actually played against me in an ICC blitz game but I don't remember who.  I'm not sure when the move was first played but it was sometime ago. 

I'm not sure which plan is best either against the Schelechter either.  But if you're wanting a sharp struggle maybe you shouldn't be playing 3.e3.  I'm not sure there is a good way for White to sharpen the struggle in this variation.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/08/09 at 12:09:26
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Glenn Snow wrote on 01/06/09 at 22:23:31:
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Dear Mr. Snow,
thank you very much indeed for sharing your analysis. I think this way to meet the Grunfeld Anti Colle is very effective. Powerbooks and others silicon trees tend to agree with a performance a way beyond 2800! The plan of playing Be2 delaying moving the queen's knight and play e4 is very strong. Imho better than transposing in the main line of e3 Grunfeld.
I've a piquant for the 10.d5 push in the line you gave, but I agree that Nbd2 is positionally stronger. Your 11.dxc6 is tempting but I think 11.Nbd2 is more cunning. Moreover Black can deviate early with 8...c5 seeking a lively piece play with f5 to follow if white reacts with d5. Even a pure Benoni scheme with e6 seems solid.
When I'll manage to understand how to do...I'll post some analisys!  Embarrassed
Black can even choose to transpose into the main line of Schelechter playing early a timely c6. What's your (and Mr. Rudel) opinion? I still haven't found t way to force Schelechter variation in an anyrate sharp struggle. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. Thanks in advance
James Ells


To give credit where credit is due I want to make it clear that the plan with the delayed e4 was developed by David Rudel.  I just argued that 5...0-0 delaying the capture on d5 was strong.  Not as strong as I first thought though and I think this remains a viable weapon for White.  I'm no expert on the Schelechter variation but if I remember correctly there is at least one thread available on this forum and Rudel covers it in his book Zuke Em and (if you can find a copy) Palliser covers it in his Play 1.d4! book.  There is also one game covered by Flear in the Gruenfeld section of chesspublishing.com.


Dear Mr. Snow, thanks for the kind answer. I sincerely apologize if I misread or misundrestood your post. I didn't mean to spoil Mr. Rudel of his merits. I was thinking that 5...0-0 was an idea of yours. So it was 10.d5
Mr. Rudel has all my compliments for his efforts and for his work (even if I can't stand the cover of his book). I've no problem to admit that many books written by titled and renowed GMs are good only for the seller. But this is another story. I'm still interested to discussing that lines if you want to.
My main problem with the Schelechter is there are too different suggestions!  Smiley Ward, Palliser, Cox, Flear...even Burgess if my memory helps me. I' m a newbie to the d4 world, and I've met the Schelecter only twice otb (with bad results). Some authors say the king's bishop is better placed on e2, others on d3. Seeking play on the queenside...no on the other side. with a slighty better but a dull endgame in prospect. I wonder if someone that has more experience and more skill than me, can give some advices and example games for a sharp struggle. I don't know if the recent Avrukh book deals with it. But it would be nice to know which games he quoted.
Sorry but I'havent found yet the post in this forum you mentioned, so I can't say nothing about it. But thank you anyway.
Kind regards
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Dear Mr. Snow,
thank you very much indeed for sharing your analysis. I think this way to meet tha Grunfeld Anti Colle is very effective. Powerbooks and others silicon trees tend to agree with a performance a way beyond 2800! The plan of playing Be2 delaying moving the queen's knight and play e4 is very strong. Imho better than transposing in the main line of e3 Grunfeld.
I've a piquant for the 10.d5 push in the line you gave, but I agree that Nbd2 is positionally stronger. Your 11.dxc6 is tempting but I think 11.Nbd2 is more cunning. Moreover Black can deviate early with 8...c5 seeking a lively piece play with f5 to follow if white reacts with d5. Even a pure Benoni scheme with e6 seems solid.
When I'll manage to understand how to do...I'll post some analisys!  Embarrassed
Black can even choose to transpose into the main line of Schelechter playing early a timely c6. What's your (and Mr. Rudel) opinion? I still haven't found t way to force Schelechter variation in an anyrate sharp struggle. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. Thanks in advance
James Ells


To give credit where credit is due I want to make it clear that the plan with the delayed e4 was developed by David Rudel.  I just argued that 5...0-0 delaying the capture on d5 was strong.  Not as strong as I first thought though and I think this remains a viable weapon for White.  I'm no expert on the Schelechter variation but if I remember correctly there is at least one thread available on this forum and Rudel covers it in his book Zuke Em and (if you can find a copy) Palliser covers it in his Play 1.d4! book.  There is also one game covered by Flear in the Gruenfeld section of chesspublishing.com.
  
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My response there was:

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Your idea is certainly more challenging for Black than I thought, but how about 8...Nc6 9.Be3 Bg4 10.Nbd2 (10.e5 and 10.d5!? Bxb2 11.dxc6 Bxa1 12.cxb7 Rb8 13.Ba6 are also possible but look wrong, I'm listening if someone wants to show otherwise though!) and now only 10...f5 with a very complicated but perhaps balanced position.  I brought this topic up in the chesspub forum so I'm going to transfer our responses there in case others want to give feedback.


My assessment at this point is that although Black has equality it's certainly tricky, not only getting there but also playing it, and represents White's best effort to cause Black problems after 3...g6 (Under "Sneaky Gruenfeld" in his book.) [/quote]

Dear Mr. Snow,
thank you very much indeed for sharing your analysis. I think this way to meet tha Grunfeld Anti Colle is very effective. Powerbooks and others silicon trees tend to agree with a performance a way beyond 2800! The plan of playing Be2 delaying moving the queen's knight and play e4 is very strong. Imho better than transposing in the main line of e3 Grunfeld.
I've a piquant for the 10.d5 push in the line you gave, but I agree that Nbd2 is positionally stronger. Your 11.dxc6 is tempting but I think 11.Nbd2 is more cunning. Moreover Black can deviate early with 8...c5 seeking a lively piece play with f5 to follow if white reacts with d5. Even a pure Benoni scheme with e6 seems solid.
When I'll manage to understand how to do...I'll post some analisys!  Embarrassed
Black can even choose to transpose into the main line of Schelechter playing early a timely c6. What's your (and Mr. Rudel) opinion? I still haven't found t way to force Schelechter variation in an anyrate sharp struggle. Suggestions and ideas are welcome. Thanks in advance
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Reply #18 - 01/05/09 at 00:15:15
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Rudel responded to my post (about 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 0-0!) in his forum with:

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Hey Glenn,
This note passed completely under my radar!! I wasn't ignoring you.

I agree this is in an important line, since Black has stopped White from advantageously using Bb5. Still, I don't see what Black can do with the position after 8.O-O.

Pressuring d4 seems to backfire. White's position looks awkward, but Black has no convenient way to put pressure on e4. 8...Bg4 seems natural, forcing 9.Nbd2 before White can play Be3, but then after 9...Nc6 White would just play 10.d5.

White is quite happy for his Queen to have free transport to the e2 square after 10...Ne5 11.Nxe5 Bxe2 12.Qxe2 Bxe5.

8...Nc6 immediately seems better, but after 9.Be3 Black is forced to play 9...f5!? if he wants to cause any problems...and that certainly gives White some opportunities.


My response there was:

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Your idea is certainly more challenging for Black than I thought, but how about 8...Nc6 9.Be3 Bg4 10.Nbd2 (10.e5 and 10.d5!? Bxb2 11.dxc6 Bxa1 12.cxb7 Rb8 13.Ba6 are also possible but look wrong, I'm listening if someone wants to show otherwise though!) and now only 10...f5 with a very complicated but perhaps balanced position.  I brought this topic up in the chesspub forum so I'm going to transfer our responses there in case others want to give feedback.


My assessment at this point is that although Black has equality it's certainly tricky, not only getting there but also playing it, and represents White's best effort to cause Black problems after 3...g6 (Under "Sneaky Gruenfeld" in his book.)
  
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I would think 5...Qc6 should be OK for Black.  Probably having played ...e6 rather ...Nf6 already gives him added flexibility for example in the Ne5 and g4 variations g5 doesn't hit a Night on f6 or ...Nxd6, dxe5 once again there is no Knight attacked.
  
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Reply #16 - 01/01/09 at 17:25:51
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With the white bishop locked in on c1 Black may consider ...Qc7. It will take White a few moves to get a rook on c1, giving Black enough tempi to find a safer square for the queen (b8). Sure Black is a bit cramped then, but White's development isn't optimal either. Or am I missing something (again)?
  

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After 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c6 3.e3 Bg4 4.c4, I like the idea of the dynamic option  of a Dutch Stonewall with the Bishop outside the pawn chain but keep in mind Black may not have time for this if White plays an early Qb3.  Black should be fine of course with perhaps something like 4...e6 5.Qb3 Qb6 or maybe there's another good way of defending the b-pawn.
  
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Glenn Snow wrote on 12/31/08 at 21:17:43:
Certain 2...c5, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3, has the added benefit of keeping the f-pawn free as MNb points out.  However, if you answer 1.Nf3 with 1...Nf6 then after 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6, does White really have any real alternative (speaking in terms of trying to get an advantage) to playing 4.c4?


in general they play 4.Bd3 against me.

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6 4.Bd3 ~ is this move order wrong for white?  I tend to play 4...Bg4.

What I'd like to know is would white be less concerned about this variation than if I'd have responded 3...Bf5 or does it have equal merit?

In reply to MNb no I've never been fond of a stonewall but it may be a consideration in my future repertoire. If I alter my move order.
  
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Certainly 2...c6, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3, has the added benefit of keeping the f-pawn free as MNb points out.  However, if you answer 1.Nf3 with 1...Nf6 then after 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6, does White really have any real alternative (speaking in terms of trying to get an advantage) to playing 4.c4?
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Reply #12 - 12/31/08 at 20:40:48
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Don't you like a Stonewall with your Queen's Bishop out either? 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c6 3.e3 Bg4 idea 4...e6; 5...f5 (or 5...Nd7 first) etcetera. Once I got the chance to play this as Black in a serious game and my, my attack went smoothly.
  

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Reply #11 - 12/31/08 at 11:37:05
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From the black side is 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 d5 3.e3 c6 anything to fear for white or is it simply not as good as the afore mentioned g6 or Bf5?

i'm a semi-slav player who really doesnt like having to play against the Colle but if 3...c6 isnt all that good I'm going to have to look at Bf5 i think as an alternative.

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Reply #10 - 12/31/08 at 03:01:31
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I agree with you...I too like Pallisar's books a lot. Made a lot of points using his Tango!
Just a note: Lets not worry about the evaluation of a Class B player. We all have chess engines.
  
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kylemeister wrote on 12/29/08 at 00:45:50:
It seems to me that there may be some advantage in playing 5...0-0 instead of 5...Nxd5 (which was played by Geller against Gulko in a USSR championship, incidentally), but after 5...0-0 it would be natural for White to try 6. h3 or maybe 6. Be2.  For example 6. h3 Nxd5 7. e4 Nb6 8. Nc3 -- a position which could plausibly be reached by the 5...Nxd5 move order -- has been variously considered slightly or clearly better for White with the added move Be3.  It seems an interesting question how much the lost tempo hurts White.  In the position after 8. Nc3 I'd be inclined to play 8...c5 (which seems maybe a direct way of trying to exploit the lack of Be3); glancing at a database I saw only one game with that (a perhaps GM-vs.-GM encounter which was quickly drawn). 

But what is this about Black making a gambit out of it?   


Rudel gives analysis on 5...0-0 6.Be2 and now 6...Bf5, 6...Bg4, and 6...b6 concluding that White is better.  His mainline with 5...Nxd5 is 6.e4 Nb6 7.a4!! a5 8.Bb5+ which is a nice sequence of moves designed to lesson the pressure on d4.  Obviously with 5...0-0 6.Be2 Nxd5 that is impossible and I think Black is OK here.  I also looked at 5...0-0 6.h3 for White but came to the conclusion Black was doing well there too.  Certainly the safest thing for White to do is to go into one of the e3/Nf3 Gruenfeld lines as recommended by Palliser in his book Starting out: the colle.  By the way, wanted to mention that I don't receive any compensation for mentioning Palliser's books!  I just like them.
  
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Reply #8 - 12/29/08 at 00:45:50
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It seems to me that there may be some advantage in playing 5...0-0 instead of 5...Nxd5 (which was played by Geller against Gulko in a USSR championship, incidentally), but after 5...0-0 it would be natural for White to try 6. h3 or maybe 6. Be2.  For example 6. h3 Nxd5 7. e4 Nb6 8. Nc3 -- a position which could plausibly be reached by the 5...Nxd5 move order -- has been variously considered slightly or clearly better for White with the added move Be3.  It seems an interesting question how much the lost tempo hurts White.  In the position after 8. Nc3 I'd be inclined to play 8...c5 (which seems maybe a direct way of trying to exploit the lack of Be3); glancing at a database I saw only one game with that (a perhaps GM-vs.-GM encounter which was quickly drawn). 

But what is this about Black making a gambit out of it?
  
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However, Rudel does deal with 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 (he calls it the Sneaky Grunfeld) in an original way which is another example of what I was referring to in my last post. Rudel suggests (after 3... g6) White play 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 saying he found 4 games in his database with this position and White won them all.


This is certainly a good try for White but there is a big problem in my opinion.  Black can simply play 5...0-0 and capture the pawn on the next move.  Rudel only covers Black making a gambit out of it.  I posted this on Rudel's C-Z forum but no ideas for White have been posted.  Having said that I don't regret my decision to buy the book.  As can be seen, I don't agree with the author on everything but one wanting to follow a decent slightly offbeat repertoire could do a lot worse than to follow some of the suggestions in Rudel's book and in his online articles and posts.  For what it's worth I also bought Palliser's  Starting out: d-pawn attacks and I like that as well. 

My advice is if you're an up and coming player who's hoping to go far then study the main lines but for a club player who's been stuck at 1500 (for example) for over 8 years then these variations might be something that could be understood and played with relative success.
  
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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
Reply #6 - 12/28/08 at 05:32:39
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saubhikr wrote on 12/28/08 at 03:20:54:
The two main reasons why I gave up Colle was following two lines. Did Pallisar manage to show a winning plan for white in these line

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5

I had his earlier book which couldn't satisfy me in these lines. The line 2 is played in top level with Nh4 idea etc. But I play Colle to avoid main lines; so it didn't help.


Instead of "winning plan" I suppose you meant, "a way to get an advantage out of the opening". Well, the answer to either way it's phrased is no.

However, Rudel does deal with 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 (he calls it the Sneaky Grunfeld) in an original way which is another example of what I was referring to in my last post. Rudel suggests (after 3... g6) White play 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 saying he found 4 games in his database with this position and White won them all.

I don't mean to be a cheerleader for his book, but there has been some severe criticism that I think is totally unjustified. My gosh, the man worked so hard on it, so what if he's an amateur. Like with any other opening book, throw out the bad and keep the good. At least give him credit for his effort.
  
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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
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The two main reasons why I gave up Colle was following two lines. Did Pallisar manage to show a winning plan for white in these line

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5

I had his earlier book which couldn't satisfy me in these lines. The line 2 is played in top level with Nh4 idea etc. But I play Colle to avoid main lines; so it didn't help.
  
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Reply #4 - 12/28/08 at 00:03:38
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saubhikr wrote on 12/17/08 at 01:29:53:
Enough free campaign of that book. Lets stop it. I have seen it. Just waste of money.

Lets talk about the book written by an IM (rather than a 1700 rated player).


I disagree. If you play the Colle Z, Zuke 'Em is very much worth the money. Rudel has obviously spent a great deal of effort on the book, his web site and a followup article he wrote for Chessville.

Is some of his assessments weak? Yes, I'd say that is a fair complaint. But Rudel's main contribution to Colle Z players is his ability to come up with new ideas. He's not afraid to tackle tough lines and suggest innovative solutions to problems. For example, check out his article on Chessville where he deals with the ... Qe7 - ... Qc7 manuever in the main line. His recommendation is quite creative.

Also, Mark Diessen has a video on ICC where he shows some great attacking wins with the Colle Z. Apparently he has played the opening for years and highly recommends it.
  
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Re: Palliser Starting out: D-pawn Attacks
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Enough free campaign of that book. Lets stop it. I have seen it. Just waste of money.

Lets talk about the book written by an IM (rather than a 1700 rated player).
  
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Reply #2 - 12/15/08 at 04:35:57
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Zuke-Em is a good book. I'm currently working my way through it now. There are a few typos but they've been easy to work through.
  
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Reply #1 - 12/11/08 at 14:44:38
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No, they won't, because they have already been 'zuked' !  Grin
  
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Very nice book and a great companion to Stating out the Colle. The nay-sayers to the Colle will have a whole new book to gripe about!
  
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