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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #22 - 02/11/09 at 18:50:56
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Novosibirsk,

What do you think of Van Wely's DVD, I was thinking of getting it (I recently got the Starting Out and the Easiest Sicilian) as kind of a quick primer on the Svesh.  I too am thinking of switching to the Sicilian (after 3 decades of playing the Pirc) and am trying to decide over the next few months whether to go with the Najdorf or the Svesh.
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #21 - 02/02/09 at 22:33:28
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Zatara wrote on 01/10/09 at 05:53:43:
Thanks all who posted.  I am wondering what people think of Sveshnikov sicilian? I hear you have to really learn the thoery as it is very hard to play by general priciples.  Is that true? 
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Sveshnikov ? It is very dynamic......based upon hypermodern principles. Its a fighting opening .Well...white has tried to refute it for a very long time and has still not suceeded. Khalifman said openly that he didnt even try to refute the Sveshnikov because its not possible to refute it. Its is considered sound after all. 

According to Starting out the Sveshnikov it takes some time to learn to play the Sveshnikov...to get a feeling for the opening. Dont expect good result in the beginning. But the more you play it the more feeling you get for the opening. Its theorethical of course but you have great use if you understand the ideas behind it...and the maneuvers...like any opening. After you have played it a while you get the feeling for the Sveshnikov positions.  A feeling that the whiteplayer  often does not have. Another thing is that it seems many whiteplayers dont like to face it. 

A second thing I like with Sveshnikov compared to the Najdorf is that you (because of 2...Nc6) is better prepared for antisicilians like the Grand Prix attack and other move order tricks. I also hate to face the Moscow 3.Bb5+Check!!! I prefer to face  the anti-Sveshnikov if I have to. The Anti sicilians are also a part of the sicilian repertoire..lets not forget..wether we want it or not.

Van Wely said in his Sveshnikov chessbase DVD that you will never get mated (if you dont really want to of course Smiley ) early in the Sveshnikov...like what can happen black in the Najdorf.

(have edited just what I have misspelled).
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #20 - 02/02/09 at 16:17:40
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my feeling is that whites are better prepared for najdorf, dragon and svesh  so pick one of the other lines.


also consider the sort of anti sicilian your chosen line allows
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #19 - 01/10/09 at 05:53:43
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Thanks all who posted.  I am wondering what people think of Sveshnikov sicilian? I hear you have to really learn the thoery as it is very hard to play by general priciples.  Is that true? 
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #18 - 01/09/09 at 11:38:49
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Zatara wrote on 12/30/08 at 05:19:03:
Hi All,
I am trying to decide which sicilian to play: Najdorf, Taimanov, Kan or Accelerated Dragon.  I don't mind theory and prefer to play sharp than passive.  Leaning towards najdorf maybe Schevenigen style or usual ...e5 stuff.  How does one dicide?  I would like to pick one and learn it well!!
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Go for the Najdorf, I'd recommend the "Sharpest sicilian" and prolly the starting out book of Palliser. The lines are mostly sharp and due to the setup of the book you can quickly get up too speed.
Keep in mind though that even though it is a sharp opening it is not always do or die.
  

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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #17 - 01/08/09 at 20:32:55
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My idea of "how should one decide" is that it should arise rather naturally from general chess study -- from looking at a variety of games from a good monthly magazine, for instance.  What could be a better basis than that?   

Failing that, I like the dice idea.      
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #16 - 01/08/09 at 18:33:34
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Greetings,

If I remember correctly, the Classical was the first variation of the Sicilian to be taught to chessplayers in the Soviet School.

It is, as noted earlier, the classical Sicilian and is the one used to teach the thematic play in this vast defence.

Of those you've listed, Zatara, I agree with others who've suggested the Najdorf - it is the sharpest in the list; but requires vast amounts of study!

Your first port of call should be the Starting Out series of books:

Emms' Starting Out: The Sicilian

For more specialised coverage:
Palliser's Starting Out: Sicilian Najdorf (also Emms' Play the Najdorf, Scheveningen Style - more detailed is Cbess Star's The Sharpest Sicilian, if you decide to commit yourself to studying it!)
Hellsten's Starting Out: Sicilian Kan
Greet's Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon

I can't think of a SO book on the Taimanov - but there's always The Safest Sicilian from Chess Stars.

You could also look at Cox's Starting Out: Sicilian Sveshnikov, which is topical at the moment - but mainly because he explores it as someone who's learning it for the first time. The Easiest Sicilian from Chess Stars is a possible follow-up, if you decide on the Sveshnikov.

[Pritchett's Starting Out: Sicilian Scheveningen and Raetsky's/Chetverik's Starting Out: Classical Sicilian might also be of interest.]

Then get the latest editions of Experts vs. The Sicilian and/or Beating the Sicilian and go through them - see which way you like being put under pressure and how to deal with these critical lines!

That should give you enough to choose which one suits you. Wink

Kindest regards,

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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #15 - 01/08/09 at 10:07:26
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I personally don't see it as bleak as existentsky above.

The main attraction of the Najdorf is that it is the most elastic of all the Sicilians (the most 'principled' in my opinion are the Dragon proper and the Classical).

So if in need to avoid prepared lines, you can diversify in the future by adding viable alternatives (e.g. you can easily transpose to the Classical, the Dragon or the Scheveningen against specific variations that bother you / against 6. Bg5 or 6. Be3 which are the main lines, there are many alternative defences to choose from / against certain anti-Sicilians you may also chose the Kan/Taimanov or even French setups).

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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #14 - 01/08/09 at 03:11:04
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Hi ALl,
Thanks for your posting everyone that has!!  Exigentsky what line in the Classical do you like vs the Richter Rauzer??  ALso what do you think of the Schevenigen and the Keres attack??
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #13 - 01/08/09 at 01:05:33
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The Najdorf is good below ~2100. After that, it's an incredible amount of work and you get seriously punished for the slightest inaccuracy. Usually, that means getting a terrible position.  Angry It's dangerous going for the most popular opening that everyone and their dog has studied and expects without the utmost understanding and preparation. There are easier ways to get a good position and make your opening study productive. For example, the Classical is principled, active and sound but far less common. Some might even argue that Nc6 is much more logical than a6. The Richter-Rauzer is probably the only real test and Black has found improvements on old lines. Although, if the Najdorf really attracts you, go for it.
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #12 - 01/03/09 at 23:52:36
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This is the line:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.0-0-0 Bd7 9.f4 b5 10.Bf6 gf6 
This is the start position of the variation.
And here is the line in question:
11.Kb1 Qb6 12.Nc6 Bc6 13.Qe1 Ra7 - this move is used frequently by Kozul and thus the variation took his name.
I will leave the rest for your guys Smiley
The only hint which I can give you is that Black should not hurry to play ...h5. I spent a lot of time analysing the line and have played maybe 5 corr. games (some of them still not finished) with excellent results.
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #11 - 01/03/09 at 23:44:13
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MilenPetrov wrote on 01/03/09 at 23:36:52:
Kozul's Suicide variation

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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #10 - 01/03/09 at 23:36:52
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Speaking about the classical and especially Rauzer I would disagree with you. I think Black has good chances everywhere (at least the fight is under way - not a boring position).
At least if he wants he can enter Kozul's Suicide variation where a lot of analysis should be done. Exchanging early on d4 does not mean that Black should play Qa5. He could try Dreev's ...b5 where black has good play (see latest updates in chesspub's Open Sicilian section). Also against 9.f3 plan he has good ideas. The only thing is to work and polish your variations. My personal experience in the system is about 20 games with black (I play it since one year) and I have more than 50% with Black against stronger opposition than my rating.
  
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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #9 - 12/30/08 at 23:37:20
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I would recommend the Najdorf as your main Sicilian variation as Black, using a combination of ...e5 and ...e6 lines depending on your tastes.

If you want to learn a second variation of the Sicilian at a later stage, then you could also add the Scheviningen to your Black repertoire without much difficulty because the positions bear some resemblance to a Najdorf. 

I wouldn't recommend the Classical Sicilian as being the most dynamic of all the Sicilians. It is solid, but some of the most testing variations do give White an initiative that requires some precision to withstand.

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Re: How to decide which sicilian to play
Reply #8 - 12/30/08 at 23:03:18
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Currently the classical sicilian holds itself quite well, the guy who won the brazil ch featured on chessbase today played that opening in the first round and won (although I wonder if his opponent couldn't have tried the sacrifice 26. Nd5 followed by f5 ...well there are many many nasty ideas for white in this opening ...).
The Bg5 Rauzer is really quite nasty. 
Either you have to exchange early on d4 and move queen to a5 and get into a passive endgame or you play 0-0 and let white throw everything he has on kingside against you, while you can't really make progress marching your queenside pawns ... really, really tough for black.
I really can't understand why the classial sicilian is said to be "solid",
in the Bg5 Rauzer with 0-0-0 you really have to fight for your life.
  
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